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From: nate@trout.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: ISP hardware/software choices (performance comparison)
Date: 9 Jan 1996 23:45:32 GMT
Organization: SRI Intl. - Montana Operations
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In article <4crliv$smk@olympus.nwnet.net>,
Anthony D'Atri <aad@nwnet.net> wrote:
>>BSDI is going to run around SunOS, Solaris, and AIX .  It is faaaaast.
>>The Sparc20s are very nice and some of them might actually be an 
>>improvement -- but why move yourself off of the commodity prices of
>>Intel sub-systems ?
>
>Because commodity-priced Intel-architecture stuff doesn't run reliably or
>cheaply.

So don't buy the commodity-proced Intel stuff.

>In order to configure such a box to run a Unix decently, you don't
>use a flinky $25 mass-market enclosure -- you pay more for one with a decent
>power supply and cooling.  You pay more if you want a halfway-usable keyboard,
>for any machines that need one.  In the end, though, memory and disk costs
>for this sort of application are going to dwarf the CPU costs anyway, which
>kinda makes the argument moot.

Acually, no.  The CPU cost still is significant.

>IMHO, the Unix-on-MSDOS-hardware route can be by far the most time-consuming
>and headache-prone.  Hardware and software vendor support can be even worse
>than that of Unix-hardware vendors.

Find a good HW vendor.  How hard is that?  It'll cost you a bit more
(10-15%), but once you've found a good vendor you won't have to worry about
it anymore.

>It can take a week to get a machine to simply recognize two SCSI
>controllers.  Nobody expects you to put two into a machine, so nobody
>tells you the convolutions needed to do so.

You'll have the same problem with PC unices as you do with SUN/DEC/SGI
workstations.  How do I stick one in my Sparc 10, I've avoided doing it
simply because it's a pain?  (BTW - I know how, it's almost *exactly*
the same procedure as doing it under any of the BSD's)

> Essential utilities like a
>disk analysis tool can be missing, and lots of tools may not build at
>all on the platform -- eg., lsof.

I think you'll find that most of the newer software is ported first to
Linux (students have more free time on their hands), so again this is a
moot point and irrelevant.  Software support isn't perfect on *ANY* OS
you choose, but if you stick with the standard OS's already discussed
you'll be pretty safe.



Nate
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