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From: rcarter@shellx.best.com (Russell Carter)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: ISP hardware/software choices (performance comparison)
Date: 8 Jan 1996 20:55:32 -0800
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In article <4crliv$smk@olympus.nwnet.net>,
Anthony D'Atri <aad@nwnet.net> wrote:
>>BSDI is going to run around SunOS, Solaris, and AIX .  It is faaaaast.
>>The Sparc20s are very nice and some of them might actually be an 
>>improvement -- but why move yourself off of the commodity prices of
>>Intel sub-systems ?
>
>Because commodity-priced Intel-architecture stuff doesn't run reliably or
>cheaply.  In order to configure such a box to run a Unix decently, you don't
>use a flinky $25 mass-market enclosure -- you pay more for one with a decent
>power supply and cooling.  You pay more if you want a halfway-usable keyboard,
>for any machines that need one.  In the end, though, memory and disk costs
>for this sort of application are going to dwarf the CPU costs anyway, which
>kinda makes the argument moot.
>
>>If this is the company money, think about what you can do to 
>>give them (and yourself) the least headache -- since your time
>>is far more expensive than the equipment or software.
>
>IMHO, the Unix-on-MSDOS-hardware route can be by far the most time-consuming
>and headache-prone.  Hardware and software vendor support can be even worse
>than that of Unix-hardware vendors.  It can take a week to get a machine to
>simply recognize two SCSI controllers.  Nobody expects you to put two into a
>machine, so nobody tells you the convolutions needed to do so.  Essential
>utilities like a disk analysis tool can be missing, and lots of tools may not
>build at all on the platform -- eg., lsof.
>

Interesting.  I regularly install systems with various NCR 53C8xx, AIC7xxx
(Adaptec 2940/2940W/2940UW/3940/3940W) controllers, singly, in pairs,
triples, what have you.  All on heavy duty P5/P6 systems, with quality
power supplies, etc.  

It takes about 30s to recognize the controller.  Aggregate throughput
through the file system exceeds 16 MB/s.  Costs are ~PC mail order.
Reliability is becoming quite well known.

Best regards,
Russell Carter
http://www.geli.com  Pentium Workstation Clusters