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From: peter@cyklop.volvo.se (peter hakanson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: BSDI Vs. NT... NT looses big
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Date: 22 Dec 1995 12:01:05 GMT
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Well,
bsd/os installs installs 250Mbyte and that includes C++, a free
web-server (ncsa, not bad at all)+ all networking code ever 
running on tcp/ip, X-windows R6, e-mail, news,Kerberos etc.
One of the best things is named that WORKS!
No need to buy any networking code at all!


NT needs ADD-ON packages(=read extra cost) to achieve the 
same. You can't even get a running modern named (as far as i know)!
So, you need to buy netscape server.

unix does fork()/exec()
And is optimized for it. Other (poor) architectures cannot
spawn a process in reasonable time, so they have to invent
treads to get any performance at all.
Ever tried to measure / compare NT and unix in performance ?

I feel there is a difference


Lion King (LionKing) wrote:
: taxfree@primenet.com (Marshall Field) wrote:

: >Hi All,

: >I'm no expert, but from my recent experiences with NT and UNIX I have to say 
: >that, at this point, NT looses out big. 

: >- The MS-TCP/IP stack, still fairly new, evidently has a memory leak that 
: >may necessitate REBOOTING your server regularly.

: you could also get the fix for it, doncha think?

: If you even know about it, chances are it was fixed days/weeks ago.

: A memory leak is not much of a problem, once you know it's there.

: >- The internet apps available from MS to go with NT (FTP, DNS, SMTP etc.) are 
: >generally weak betas, and not up to the level - yet - of their UNIX parents.. 
: >if they are available at all.

: yeah, but a couple of mouse clicks on an NT box and you have a WWW
: server installed that will effortlessly keep up with a similarly
: config'ed unix box. 

: >- NT is a very large and slow compared to UNIX, the same machine with the same
: >memory performs much better  under a UNIX port than under NT.

: NT sets up in 90-100 Megs. Unix EASILY needs 5 times that amount for a
: similar install. To make it fair, install Visual C++ in another
: 150Megs. That's 250 Megs, tops. Still 1/2 of the same Unix install.

: As for data throughput, NT spanks Unix in heavy server load. Too much
: fork()-ing overhead on Unix compared to the silky-smooth
: multi-threaded nature of NT Server apps. Long after that BSD box dumps
: core and panics, NT will still be running your server with cycles to
: spare.

: Till unix and unix products are multi-threaded, NT will continue to
: smoke them.

: BTW, those extra processors on the mainboard can actually be USED to
: run code on. One day, you guys will figure that out. You don't have to
: ignore them forever!  :D

: Hardware speed can be bought with 50% more power costing 50% less
: every year (or something like that).

: You can't double the reliability/scalability of your NOS every year,
: so who cares if your mission-critical servers cost an extra $450 for
: 16Megs more RAM on NT v. *BSD[I]+

: All that supposed "overhead" can be eliminated for $450. Then LOOK AT
: HOW MUCH MORE YOU GET!!!!!

: >Remember that Microsoft is still scrambling like crazy to get on the Internet 
: >bandwagon...
: > maybe within a few years NT will unload some of its weight and
: >gain more varied and robust internet tools. Until then UNIX wins.

: does the phrase "whistling past the graveyard" mean anything to you?

: woohoo! NT Rocks.




: LK



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