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From: randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess)
Subject: Re: 386BSD and IDE drives
Message-ID: <BvCCD0.5J0@chinet.chi.il.us>
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
References: <1992Sep24.022400.19483@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <Bv32LD.K9t@chinet.chi.il.us> <id.O7NT.0O3@ferranti.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:05:22 GMT
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In article <id.O7NT.0O3@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>In article <Bv32LD.K9t@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) writes:
>> 	Something is very wrong here.  My experience is that IDE drives
>> 	are great for UNIX and IDEAL for 386bsd.  Main reason is that, like
>> 	SCSI, they hide bad sectors from the OS.
>
>This is the one problem with SCSI, and presumably IDE. Why? What happens
>when you have a marginal disk? 
>I've been burned by this.
>
	Well, in actual use, I have found modern IDE/SCSI drives to be
	much more reliable than MFM/RLL/ESDI drives.  Newer technology,
	etc.  I back up regularly (ha!), and a sudden onslaught of bad 
	sectors would be no worse than any other catastrophic failure.
	I mean, just look at all the poor people complaining of the
	distribution having bad parts because they get errors when
	unpacking it.  They are using MFM/RLL/ESDI drives that the
	OS is not aware or reporting bad sectors.  This don't happen
	with IDE/SCSI.
>
>>       Never a need to run bad144 or worry about bad sectors.
>
>Oh, you should worry. Trust me.
>
	With IDE/SCSI?  Please elaborate.

>Not unless you really compromise on the quality of the drives, or unless
>you've got some sort of special deal. Street prices vary by $20-$50 for
>the same drive in SCSI and IDE versions.

	Seems with top of the line drives, (>300 meg < 18ms seek), SCSI
	drives are a few hundred more than the same IDE.  This is
	non-negligable when a SCSI controller runs a couple hundred
	and a IDE is basicaly free.  
	Again, this is all supposing no need for over 2 devices.

-- 
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	Who is this dog meat who stands before me now?
	That's the biz, sweetheart.
Randy Suess					 randy@chinet.chi.il.us