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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1!not-for-mail From: root@dyson.iquest.net (John S. Dyson) Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD X-Nntp-Posting-Host: dyson.iquest.net Message-ID: <49uc6u$nm@dyson.iquest.net> Sender: news@iquest.net (News Admin) Organization: John S. Dyson's home machine References: <489kuu$rbo@pelican.cs.ucla.edu> <49qa85$q80@agate.berkeley.edu> <49s8d8$96@dyson.iquest.net> <49u2cb$83d@daffy.anetsrvcs.uwrf.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:41:02 GMT Lines: 48 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.advocacy:29033 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:9722 comp.unix.advocacy:11666 comp.unix.misc:19789 In article <49u2cb$83d@daffy.anetsrvcs.uwrf.edu>, BENJAMIN A LINDSTROM <bl03@uwrf.edu> wrote: >John S. Dyson (root@dyson.iquest.net) wrote: >: >: Regarding the CVS tree, there are some issues that are difficult to >: resolve, but at least FreeBSD/NetBSD has coherent source code control >: management!!! Since 58 people from all over the world have CVS access, >: isn't that pretty darn open??? -- how many people can make a commit to the Linux >: kernel for example??? (It doesn't answer the question to say that you >: can edit your own copy :-)). >: >Patches can be submitted from anyone to Linus, and from what it sounds like >if it's driver related and once you've establisted that you are working on >it you can get your patches released in the next patch. > We strive for that in FreeBSD also -- there is really no one person that does this since FreeBSD is truely cooperative, as opposed to being run by one person. > >Other patches don't quite get into the kernel because. a) out of date betime >they get there.. or b) It breaks other things. > So Linus has full control over the kernel... Does not even look like a cooperative or open effort to me. I know of about 5-10 people that commit (make changes to the SOURCES directly) to the FreeBSD kernel regularly. Of course, they are generally careful enough and mature enough to coordinate their efforts. Each of those people take submissions and evaluate their appropriateness. (Note that there is a much larger group that makes commits to the FreeBSD kernel or system, but I am just talking here about the regular committers.) It would be nice to see the Linux CVS tree opened up (especially from all of the Linux vendors)!!! Or perhaps daily or hourly source updates be made available at an easily accessable site. We are striving to do so on FreeBSD and have had the source available at least daily for a very long time -- since FreeBSD is an open development!!!! FreeBSD does really have a CVS tree for all of its sources -- we are working to open it up -- but there are lots of issues, many of which are not under our control. Since the CVS tree is very large, and the machine that it resides on only has a T1, there are also distribution and *consistancy* issues. For example, if the tree is mirrored, there can be significant amounts of time where the tree is inconsistant. (FreeBSD is getting more and more popular and the bandwidth needs are tremendous.) John dyson@freebsd.org