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From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 386bsd -- The New Newsgroup
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Date: 11 Sep 92 22:29:06 GMT
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terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes:
> allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard) writes:
> ... In the case of gigabyte networks, that place need not have
> >anything to do with 386bsd, ...except in so far as it deals
> >with 386bsd implementation issues.
> 
> How about BSD?  By the same argument, the place need not have anything to
> do with 386bsd except in so far as it deals with 386 implementation issues.
> 
> Sounds like an argument against moving away from comp.unix.bsd.

I didn't mean it to sound that way.  I happen to favor moving out of
comp.unix.bsd, based on my understanding of USENET convention and
newsgroup naming precedents (however limited my understanding of those
conventions may be).  I am not a militant on this issue, however.

I would point out that there are three semi-independent dimensions
(at least) which cause a newsgroup to exist.

1. Some newsgroups are roughly isomorphic to 'user communities'
centered around some system or concept.  This is an issue of social
togetherness.  It happens in nonelectronic life, too.  People at Apple
and people at IBM study networking, but do it seperately (in the pre
Pink era anyway :)).  They each form a distinct social group.  This is
what Lynne Jolitz (I think) is proposing for the 386bsd subgroups.
People who are together as concerns 386bsd *and* who want to also work
together on certain computer science problems, using 386bsd as a
social centrum.

2. Some newsgroups are explicitly devoted to a technical subject.

3. Some newsgroups are explicitly devoted to system administration
and implementation.

If I am interested in ppp, I subscribe to comp.protocols.ppp.  If I
want to see ppp run under 386bsd, I will follow any ppp thread I will
see under comp.os.386bsd.  In so far as I am starting to participate
in the 386bsd social community, I will monitor everything of interest
to me in comp.os.386bsd.

I am only arguing to be very careful about creating groups which
contain the cross product of reasons 2 and 3, while acknowledging that
reason 1 does naturally lead to such fragmentation.

My main point is that splitting 386bsd will not be easy, may not be
desirable, and should only occur without undue presciption.  As for
seperating 386bsd from bsd, it is already happening!.  Based, of
course, on the fact that the 386bsd user community has already copted
comp.unix.bsd as its forum.

Dennis
allard@isi.edu