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From: jks@teal.csn.org (John Stevenson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: new boot roms
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Date: 6 Sep 92 21:25:45 GMT
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eje@irenaeus.mlo.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco) writes:


>In article <183c4vINNfit@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu>, brtmac@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett McCoy) writes:
>> From: brtmac@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett McCoy)
>> Subject: new boot roms
>> Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:36:31 -0500

>> Okay, here's a thought.  Why doesn't someone write up some new boot
>> room code that would make a PC act a lot like a Sun when you turn it
>> on.  Get rid of all the gunky MS-DOS support.  Put in a nice little
>> monitor to examine memory and various registers and i/o ports and
>> allow easy booting from any device and any partition on that device.

>I think that is an excellent idea -- in fact I think hosing the BIOS is going
>to be a necessary step in moving to more advanced operating systems.  BIOS is
>out of date.  We need SCSI support in the ROMs, a monitor, and flexible booting
>choices.  We need BIOS code written in protected mode (like IBM's PS/2 code),
>not in real mode.  We need support for seven disk drives and other things.

>> This is far, far beyond any skills I have, but it seems like it might
>> be worthwhile and would solve a lot of the problems and workarounds
>> that people are having and using now.  Maybe someone should get on
>> AMI's or Phoenix's back and get them to add some support for other
>> OS's than MS-DOS in their boot code.

>Some company should propose a standard.  Maybe Digital.  IBM if they don't try
>to extract license fees from everyone.

>With 1 MB flash ROMs 1 mm thick, 8 mm wide and 15 cm long, we can afford to put
>a lot of ROM in PCs and put lots of stuff in it.  With memory management we can
>swap unused ROM out or compatibility ROM in.

>It is certainly something desparately needed.
>--
>/=============================================================================\
>| Eric Ewanco - Software Engineer     For the rash and outrageous opinions ex-|
>| Digital Equipment Corp, Maynard MA  pressed herein I alone am responsible;  |
>| ewanco@kalvin.enet.dec.com          they do not belong to DIGITAL(TM).      |
>\==============================- 2 Th 2:15 -==================================

There is just such a standard currently in the works. It is called
IEEE Draft Std p1275/d3 "Standard for boot firmware" 
and is similar to the sun booting system. Check with Ieee for a draft copy..
This does seem to be the way of the future for firmware.
good luck.
..sig file when I grow up.
bye
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