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From: sja@snakemail.hut.fi (Sakari Jalovaara)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Slight flame from Linux user
Date: 07 Jun 95 09:35:36 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
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In-reply-to: tim@maths.tcd.ie's message of 5 Jun 1995 03:14:33 +0100

> I believe the opposite -- that Unix is perfectly simple,
> when properly explained.
> I have no reason to suppose BSD is any more complicated
> than any other version of Unix.

UNIX is an absolute no-brainer.  Just install /vmunix and /bin/sh
and whatever else is absolutely necessary for booting.  Use
two commands in various combinations: "doom" and "logout".
Zero administration needed.

However.

Pretty soon you'll be wanting to configure sendmail.  Install NNTP.
Attach a few ttys.  Get on the net.  Get PPP or slip. Reconfigure the
kernel.  Create a few accounts for friends.  Soon you'll have users
playing "amusing" tricks on each other.  You'll have feuding users.
So you'll start thinking about security.  You might even want
accounting and quotas.  NFS no doubt.  You'll install an exotic tape
drive.  Install every bloody program you can get via FTP.  By this
time your system is so old that there are newer versions of all your
programs - so you need to start removing old stuff and putting in new
versions.  Add a few disks.  Binary patch the root disk after a
crash.  Install automatic scripts that clean up ever-growing
log files from all those free programs.  Set up a WWW server.
Write a couple of hundred klocs of C.

And so on.

You want to be a UNIX user?  Whether you have Linux or BSD makes
little difference.  Using UNIX is the same in both if you don't do
anything ambitious.  "ls -l | more" is the same in both.  xmosaic
works the same way in both.  XFree and twm are the same in both.

You want to play UNIX administrator?  sendmail.cf is the same bloody
sendmail.cf in both.  RS-232 presents the same adventure in both.
It is administering the *applications* that takes the real work.
Administering UNIX (without any applications) takes zero work.

The applications are almost exactly the same in Linux and in BSD.

If someone told you that in Linux these things are somehow magically
easier than in other UNIXen be careful of him - he might lie to you in
other things as well.
									++sja