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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!eskimo!lparsons From: lparsons@eskimo.com (Lee Parsons) Subject: Re: Slight flame from Linux user X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Message-ID: <D9rtsG.3v@eskimo.com> Keywords: Linux FreeBSD Sender: usenet@eskimo.com (News User Id) Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever References: <3ql3gd$je2@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <D9K4Iz.BJM@midway.uchicago.edu> <3qstb1$oca@dg.thepoint.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:45:51 GMT Lines: 34 Arlie Davis <arlie@news.thepoint.net> wrote: >Tim Pierce <twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu> writes: >>People who aren't ready to get their hands dirty shouldn't >>be installing or administering Unix. > >Attitudes like this are what is responsible for UNIX falling into a >second-rate position today. There is _no_ valid reason for allowing >BSD's installation process to remain unfriendly. [...] Just to emphasize a point that Tim tried to make. (Tim? I think so but the attribution has gotten a little confused). One of the reasons I resisted Linux was that it was too easy to install. It was a hand holding process that had Zero relationship to how other OS's are installed. I personally run FreeBSD to (in part) keep my Ex-Sysadmin hand in on the nuts and bolts of installations. A Linux install that doesn't force me to get out the old calculator and figure out how big the partition is would not be very useful to me. >Old-world UNIX snobs who insist that we stay in the eighties are doing >so because they are unwilling to change, and because they think it will >help their job security. Well, it will for a short while -- long enough >to kill the last remaining shreds of market appeal for UNIX. I have never heard anybody say BSD SHOULD NOT EVER have a good menu driven installation process. I have heard a lot of people say Admins should know what the menus do and that such a process is not really important compared to the new VM Code (or whatever). I would agree with both of those statements. -- Regards, Lee E. Parsons Systems Oracle DBA lparsons@world.std.com