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From: kaleb@x.org (Kaleb KEITHLEY)
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Subject: Re: Put the Cannons Away: Vote YES on newsgroup reformation.
Date: 16 Feb 95 19:50:20 GMT
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Terry Lambert <terry@cs.weber.edu> writes:

>kaleb@x.org (Kaleb KEITHLEY) wrote:

>1)	I think that you have not noted the intentional distinction
>	I made between "you", the group of people electioneering for
>	"yes" votes and the accusatory "you" (spelled "*YOU*" in the
>	posting).

>	Please reread the post in that light, and if you still
>	wish to discuss it, I will be happy to accomodate you in
>	email.

Sorry, got better things to do with my time.

>2)	After my statement "Quit electioneering and start counting
>	votes", you stated that I did not understand the process.
>	I understand the process well enough to know that this
>	discussion properly belonged in the RFD stage (I stated
>	my opinion at that time).

That's not what I said at all. I said you don't understand the
process if you think that I'm counting the votes.

>3)	One new item that has come to light in this process that
>	was not clear to me before (and perhaps this is my own
>	fault) is that you effectively stated that you were
>	personally bullied into the choice of names by a shadow
>	organization you call "The Usenet Cabal".  For this to
>	be true there must have been a significant abuse of
>	process, perhaps including abuse of the position of news
>	group moderator.

>	Personally, I have a hard time buying this, and others I
>	have talked to in person and in email also have a hard
>	time buying this.  Not only that such a group could exist
>	and wield the power you claim, but that as adamantly as
>	you have held on to this thread, it is highly unlikely
>	that you would have humbly submitted to their ruling.

Good for you. I personnally have a hard time believing that you
and Peter Da Silva can't accept what I have said as a statement of
fact. Funny how you would presume to know better than I what the
Usenet group-advice-gurus said to me.

>	I would like proof of this charge.  For instance, the
>	email refusing you the right to post a properly formulated
>	RFD, regardless of content.  According to the established
>	bylaws, this is not an allowable action, since the
>	"existing heirarchy" requirement is satisfied not only by
>	the existance of comp.os.386bsd.*, but also by numerous
>	comp.os.* groups,including but not limited to comp.os.msdos,
>	comp.os.os2, and comp.os.linux.

Sorry, I don't keep old mail around for three months in anticipation 
of needing to prove something to the Terry Lamberts of the world.

>	This is a matter I will *not* let drop without proof.  If
>	you want to fight "The Usenet Cabal", identify it and I
>	am your ally, don't identify it and I am your foe.

Guess you're going to have to settle for foe. I think that's too bad
really, but you seem to have made up your mind.

--

Kaleb KEITHLEY