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Xref: sserve comp.sys.powerpc:33429 comp.sys.intel:30858 comp.unix.bsd:16024 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:8076 comp.unix.sys5.r4:9147 comp.unix.misc:15825 comp.os.linux.development:23101 comp.os.linux.misc:34471 comp.os.386bsd.development:3117 comp.os.386bsd.misc:5187 comp.os.misc:3746 Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!constellation!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!info-server.bbn.com!SNIT.BBN.COM!fgoldstein From: fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.intel,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.misc Subject: Re: X on dial-in Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 16:26:14 LOCAL Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <fgoldstein.131.001DC8B4@bbn.com> References: <3f44s2$jqm@maverick.maverick.tad.eds.com> <D36ry6.4H3@kerberos.demon.co.uk> <D3A5Iu.pD@park.uvsc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: snith.bbn.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <D3A5Iu.pD@park.uvsc.edu> Terry Lambert <terry@cs.weber.edu> writes: >It's not that -- it's the connect time charges that are so excessive >compared to a flat rate frame relay or even a 56k leased line. >2 months of continuous 64k/16k/16k (this is *not* the standard >'basic rate' that US West is offering, folks) for a 64k connection >to a provider I then have to pay even more to is enough to pay a >Frame Relay 56k (would be 64k, but there isn't any equipment for >the consumer) for an entire year (a little over $3000). Whoa. I'm a Resident ISDN Weenie working for an ISP... I don't know the Utah tariff but there is often hope. Many US telcos charge cents/minute for local ISDN data calls but not for voice calls. Thus a modem is cheaper, bit for bit. Especially for residential users; business is more often charged for all calls. BUT if your ISDN gear supports "data over speech bearer service" (DOSBS), then you can make "speech" calls over the ISDN line and pass data at 56 kbps! It works just fine on almost all LOCAL and intra-LATA calls, but not on most inter-LATA calls. California, alas, got around this; they charge residential ISDN users for daytime speech calls that are free on analog lines. But then California is usually screwy! :-) Also, you don't leave the line up 24 hours a day! For that a leased line or FR makes more sense. But for part-time netsurfer, it's great! (I use it.) BTW, I use Ethernet into an external ISDN-Ethernet bridge. Very easy. >US West can't endpoint you on the internet because they are >classifying Internet connectivity as long distance. Hockey puck. They can endpoint you at an internet service provider. They just can't be the interstate provider. Of course sometimes employees of phone companies make up stupid excuses. ___ Fred R. Goldstein k1io fgoldstein@bbn.com Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc., Cambridge MA USA +1 617 873 3850 Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission.