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From: pjlahaie@achilles.net (Paul JY Lahaie)
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Subject: Re: Interested in PowerPC for Linux / FreeBSD / NetBSD?
Date: 20 Dec 1994 23:55:16 -0500
Organization: Achilles Internet Limited, Nepean, ON
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In article <3d4ucp$sbn@hearst.cac.psu.edu>,
Kenneth J. Hoover <ken@psuedvax.ed.psu.edu> wrote:
> ...or who want a lightning-fast file-and-print-server OS that's not riddled
>with security holes for bored CS students to hack in their spare time...
That's if you throw enough hardware at it. We ran WinNT on a DX2-66
(fastest at the time) with 16MB of RAM, and it would be SWAPPING with an
applet open (Solitaire). Lightning fast? Yeah right.
> Would you care to give details? And whining about it not coming with NFS
>doesn't count because a surprising number of us out in the world DON'T NEED
>NFS! Please provide examples of how un*x does it better too so I can have a
>good laugh. Email is fine.
If NT is using SMB then it's not stateless. Therefore if the server
crashes (and we have had NT crash) everone needs to reconnect. With NFS
(under UN*X) we just reboot the machine, and everyone just works.
Not to mention the TCP/IP being a real joke. Linux had better TCP/IP
networking in v1.0!
> Remember, NT "advanced server" was a 1.0 version operating system despite
>what MS labeled it, and it was damn good. The 3.5 version is even better.
>It's also easy enough to set up that a real person can do it... try that with
>Linux! [I know, I've run Linux]
I hear Yggdrassil (sp?) is pretty simple to install. So is Slackware.
"advanced server" should be installed by competent people. Especially all
that SUPER useful help for TCP/IP.
"Ask the System Administrator", etc... When you pick up the LDP, you at
least know what a subnet is, etc...
> Many UN*X people equate "lack of NFS" with "bad networking" in Windows NT.
>This is a serious mistake. One of my favorite tricks to show NT unbelievers is
>to mount MS's anon FTP site as a drive on my NT server box and then proceed to
>examine their archives from the file mangler just like I search thru my CD-ROM.
>It takes about 30 seconds. All without NFS over a distance of about 2500
>miles.
Well, I mount wuarchive on our local Linux machine, which then has that
mounted by ou Sun machine. Does NT do this? Also, why the hell would I
want to pick up the Microsoft anon FTP? It's pretty useless.
> Un*x has no real place in an office environment (yeah, right... someone will
>tell me that where they work all their secretaries write memos with TeX). NT
>is designed to be a high-performance SERVER for the (gaack) "enterprise"
>that's easy to admin while being B2-level secure [yeah, I know it's only been
>C2-certified so far], not some kind of thrill ride for the computer-
>masochistic like UN*X is.
NT isn't B2, and just because you write it won't make it so. And there
are all sort of C2 UN*X systems out there.
>PS: I'm not connected with Microsoft at all other than using their stuff.
> I don't even like them that much, but they've got a damn good product
> in NT server and I'm gonna defend it if someone's so clearly off base
> as this.
NT (3.1) is very pathetic. I can get Linux running Samba + TCP/IP
networking (LPD, NFS, etc...) in 8MB on a 486SX33. NT won't even boot on
that machine.
- Paul
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