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Xref: sserve comp.unix.aix:48587 comp.unix.bsd:15516 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:7679 comp.unix.solaris:28019 comp.unix.unixware:14973 Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!bikini!darrend From: darrend@bikini.USG.Sandy.Novell.COM (Darren R. Davis) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.unixware Subject: Re: Unix for PC Date: 9 Dec 1994 18:01:42 GMT Organization: Novell Inc. Lines: 106 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <3ca626$qqt@bantu.Provo.Novell.COM> References: <3bvmo1$hgr@cascade.pnw.net> <3c4rhh$54a@bantu.provo.novell.com> <3c5cos$bhb@crl7.crl.com> <D0I0Jq.991@ssbunews.ih.att.com> <3c8i58$5uj@crl9.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bikini.usg.sandy.novell.com Let's not get into a great debate, but just some more info. In article <3c8i58$5uj@crl9.crl.com>, jpatrick@crl.com (J. Heather Patrick) writes: |> In article <D0I0Jq.991@ssbunews.ih.att.com>, |> 55433-jack fijolek(hhall) <jack1@iexist.flw.att.com> wrote: |> > |> >In article <3c5cos$bhb@crl7.crl.com>, jpatrick@crl.com (J. Heather Patrick) writes: |> >|> |> >|> Do you think 10 reasons comprises "more capable", or should I go on? |> >|> |> >|> |> >Go on because a lot of this disappears in UW2.0 (ie. X env). |> |> Glad to hear it. Although I'll believe it when I see it :-) |> |> >UW did a nice layered virtual machine for X, and X ain't nice. |> |> What do you mean in this case by "virtual machine for X"? |> |> I shall now, by popular demand, elucidate upon the points I made, which |> should already be clear to people who have used both unixware and solaris. |> |> THe following comparison pertains to: |> Solaris 2.4 |> Unixware 1.1 (cause we ain't got no 2.0) |> |> Better NFS: |> the nfs daemon for solaris is multithreaded |> (+ more reasons that I dont remember, but a sun engineer could |> probably point out) This is probably a good thing for performance. |> |> More full set of code libraries: |> As I pointed out in email to someone, solaris has the goodies like |> strcasecmp(). UW1.1 does not. |> UnixWare has strcasecmp() in /usr/ucblib/libucb.a, please keep your facts straight. |> Better X server: |> R5 based. REAL implementation of standard R5, including 16-bit fonts. |> (there is an optional package called metrolink that claims |> to provide R5 for unixware. no MITSHM. no 16-bit-fonts) |> MITSHM extension. |> DPS (Adobe-DPS-Extension, AND DPSExtension) |> Multi-Buffering |> MIT_SUNDRY_NONSTANDARD |> X3D-PEX |> XimputExtension |> XTEST We provide an R5 server on xserver@summit.novell.com. There are several third party X servers such as Metrolink and X inside, though I believe that UnixWare's is excellent. I do know that our bench mark numbers are some of the best. Kumar periodically posts X benchmarks for various cards here. I would use this info for a source of comparison. In terms of extensions that is many of the third parties claims to fame. |> |> Better X server environment: |> A real olwm. the pseudo-olwm with unixware 1.1 is broken. i dont |> remember how right now, sorry. Sorry, but olwm IS DEAD. Motif has won. I am not saying that this is good, I thought Open Look was nice. Our Open Look was extended with the MoOlit stuff to include a Motif like look and feel. Though, as I stated above we now just use mwm. |> |> A real xterm. The "xterm" with unixware is a very sad joke. AGREED! I happen to use the MIT xterm from ftp.novell.com. |> |> More stuff I dont remember right now, but other users of both systems |> should be able to fill in. |> I was hoping that you would. You were the one making claims. I just want facts. And, If Solaris has better features, GREAT competition is good. We want to make UnixWare the best environment, not a bad thing to shoot for. |> Working man pages: |> Source for man pages is EXTRA in uw1.1?? Come ON. And the |> apropos/whatis stuff is useless without it. There is a fix for the whatis stuff. Though, I tend to use the new dynatext browser in UnixWare 2.0 for manuals. I happen to mostly use the X environment. I know some people are still character based. Their opinions need to be kept in mind. |> |> Plus, the solaris stuff uses the cache generated by catman -w |> to speed up "man xx" serach times We have catman pages as well, that just prevents the nroff processing. |> |> I apologise for my mistake on the compiler issue. |> Again, all I am soliciting for is facts. Lets disect these two OSes and compare the features objectively. My point in this whole mess was to explain to the original poster not to accept subjective statements by anyone (Solaris or UnixWare). Make his own criteria and match the OS to it. Darren R. Davis UnixWare Developer Support Engineer Novell Developer Support