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From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr)
Subject: Re: How UTTERLY Amazing! (Was Re: FreeBSD vs NetBSD)
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 23:58:31 GMT
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Paul Pries (paul@pp2.smc.south.telia.se) wrote:
: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
: : Paul Pries (paul@pp2.smc.south.telia.se) wrote:

: [ even more nuked ]

: : : : 	Yes, I'll agree with this.
: : 
: : : With what? The renaming, or the name? There is a difference...
: : :
: : 	I'll agree that 386bsd r1.0 is vaporous.
: : 	I'll agree that it might also need to be renamed.
: : 	I'll  agree that his analogy might be correct.
: : 
: OK, this is clear. (At last...) 

: : : : 
: : : : 	Bill and Lynn have just as much at stake here as they
: : : : 	next developer.   Sure, I've heard tell of other OSs
: : : : 	called Toy OSs, but does this stand to warrent that 
: : : : 	possibly 386bsd R1.0 could be a "Toy OS".
: : : : 
: : : : 	Maybe!
: : 
: : : I never called it a "toy OS", maybe a few other things, but not that.
: : : What really pissed me off, was the ranting about "developement 
: : : environments" and how bad those are in the different BSD clones.
: : : I won't comment on the examples you gave, they speak for them selves.
: : :
: : 	OK... you can do that.
: : 
: Do what? Call the "vapourOS" different names?
:
	Yes.

: Get pissed off? 
:
	Yes.

: Comment on your examples? Or what?
:
	Yes, you may (or may) not commment on my examples.

: Admit it, you are somewhat cryptic, aren't you?
:
	If I want to be, yes.


: : : What I really meant with the name "DOS BSD-1.0" was, that how can *you*
: : : tell us how great 386BSD-1.0 will be in one breath, and in the next one
: : : slap the *BSD development environment to the floor, when everybody knows
: : : (even you, if I recall your own statements) that Bill and Lynne don't 
: : : give shit about _any_ environment (but their own, perhaps).
: : : The only thing that counts for them is "cutting edge", you said it 
: : : ypurself.
: : : Please explin this to me, but in plain english, no rantings.
: : :
: : 	OK.  You'll have to bring this topic back again if
: : 	your really interested... This thread and others
: : 	are keeping me going right now and I don't have time
: : 	to go on a tangent for a very good question.
: : 
: : 	I hope this answer is Ok with you Paul.
: : 
: What answer? I don't think you answerd anything at all. But what the heck,
: I didn't really expect you to.
:
	You're right I didn't answer anything.
	You made many statements, I don't have time to
	answer any of them.   Can you make your statement again later?

: [ more nuked suff ]

: : : Yeah, the silent developers. They who produce code, not vapour.
: : : Those who speak for themselves when they are ready to show some code.
: : : Reread the above two lines, and think again what they say.
: : :
: : 	My point is that there are hundreds of developers out
: : 	there (commercial and hobby) that don't have time
: : 	to get on and listen to you or me blatter on about
: : 	XYZ points on LINUX of *BSD.  Additionally if they
: : 	are of any worth, they wont' argue with any of the
: : 	above personel.... Again this refers to my point,
: : 	"The silent developer".
: : 
: I usually don't participate in flamewars, and I'm not known to advocate
: the pros and cons about different OS'es. That makes me one of those 
: hundreds of silent developers? How about you? ;-)
:
	No you're not. and neither an I.

	"silent", in my book, means -- never ever saying a thing.

	John Sokol, my business partner, worked with Bill Jolitz 
	on the original release of 386bsd (release 0.0).   
	He does not have time for any ranting... soon I won't either.

: If only worthless assholes argue (this is what you said, isn't it?),
: then how do you expect any progress will be made in any developmentgroup?
:
	I don't think I've ever said "worthless assholes",
	but let's say I did.

	If there are "WA" working on this, slowly the will
	die away..... sort of like the 3M theory on R&D

	CEO of 3M states in fortune magazine, "Sure, we
	start R&D projects and then cut the funding back
	three times. That's how we find out who's wants to
	follow-up on the technology and who's dedicated to
	getting the idea out."

	
: While I'm waiting for a good answer on this one, I'll back out and lean 
: back in my chair, and ofcourse get some serious work done...
:
	OK... good idea... We're going to move ahead on
	this... I hope you're ready.


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Jesus Monroy Jr                                          jmonroy@netcom.com
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