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Xref: sserve comp.os.386bsd.questions:13871 comp.os.386bsd.misc:3744 Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msuinfo!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jmonroy From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) Subject: Re: How UTTERLY Amazing! (Was Re: FreeBSD vs NetBSD) Message-ID: <jmonroyCxsHzM.73r@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <358o3g$p95@umd5.umd.edu> <jmonroyCxG197.MqI@netcom.com> <37hfa2$8mt@pdq.coe.montana.edu> <jmonroyCxp4Fp.JKH@netcom.com> <37p76n$cgd@pdq.coe.montana.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 23:45:21 GMT Lines: 82 Nate Williams (nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu) wrote: : In article <jmonroyCxp4Fp.JKH@netcom.com>, : Jesus Monroy Jr <jmonroy@netcom.com> wrote: : >Nate Williams (nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu) wrote: : >: In article <jmonroyCxG197.MqI@netcom.com>, : >: Jesus Monroy Jr <jmonroy@netcom.com> wrote: : >: > I understand that Freebsd plans to use the : >: > 4.4 release as it's base. : >: > Don't you feel this will limit the potential of FreeBSD : >: > as a development enviroment? : > : >: Quite the contrary. I believe many of the advanced features of 4.4 will : >: encourage FreeBSD development. : >: : > I can agree that the new features of 4.4 will be : > of advantage and use to many developers, but I also : > beleive that the code (as is traditional Berkely style) : > is too interwoven. : With? The new 4.4 filesystem code allows for building FS with a much : better API than before, the networking code is much better, the machine : independence of 4.4 is MUCH better than previous Berkeley releases : (which are in turn much better than any other software that I have : seen.) : Yes, it's new and improved... but we are not selling laundry detergent here... we are talking about an OS that is a moving target. : Give me facts or examples to back up your assertion and we can talk, but : until then you have nothing to say. The biggest problem that the BSD : 4.4 has it the VM system, and it's not too shabby as it sits, though it : needs a little bit of re-write to make it work more effectively. : OK, by your words --- let's shut up on this topic and wait till R1.0 is in my hands, then you can get the full flame on bbbb -- boys. : >: If 'application resources' were the only criteria for running an : >: operating system, we'd all be running DOS, since the application : >: developement tools in DOS still blow away most of the development tools : >: on all other operating systems. This is changing, but application : >: development isn't the only thing out there. If your OS can't run your : >: applications due to inherent limitations, then you need a different : >: OS. : >; : > Correction... DOS is the predominant OS for development. : > BSD and other OSs are only still afloat because of relegious : > loyalties and blantent bigotry.... : Let's see you write a server under DOS w/out having to go through : contortions. : Get real, Nate, you know that this is very rediculous (sp?) : Again, you have absolutely no facts to back up your : statements, as Unix and other systems are gaining market share in : comparison to DOS. : I've heard this talk for years, Nate. Do you really expect that marketing hype to fool anyone? Market share hell... DOS wins hands down on number of units sold.... UNIX wins on number of end-users supported. My facts are that MS-DOS and Windows, alone, comprise of more applications developers, than all Unix developers combined. What the hell is your point? : When you have something to say other than biased opinions based on : non-existant facts, come back and we can have a real discussion. : Bigtory ... at my point again. -- Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com Zebra Research /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation ___________________________________________________________________________