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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msuinfo!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jmonroy From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) Subject: Re: Nailed down to 386bsd or linux, now which one? Message-ID: <jmonroyCxqI6J.Loq@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <jmonroyCx10D8.3yu@netcom.com> <378hjr$c4@knobel.gun.de> <jmonroyCxG277.1ML@netcom.com> <37k59n$14m@u.cc.utah.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 21:54:19 GMT Lines: 82 Terry Lambert (terry@cs.weber.edu) wrote: : In article <jmonroyCxG277.1ML@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: : ] Andreas Klemm (andreas@knobel.gun.de) wrote: : ] : Jesus Monroy Jr (jmonroy@netcom.com) wrote: : ] : : : ] : : Again, no benchmarks (or stats) are available for : ] : : any of the above. Numbers generated depend heavily : ] : : on equipment used and application (program) design. : [ ... benchmarks from a German magazine ... ] : ] Worthless benchmarks and you know it. : ] I could publish daily reports on how fast 386bsd : ] is in comparision to say, Novell servers.... doen't : ] prove diddly... : ] : ] At best the magazine you're quoting says that : ] "when they did the test, with their machines : ] under thier conditions.... they got xYZ results." : I know of no benchmarks which are not themselves similar statements. : What benchmarks (since it was your original demand that prompted Andreas' : posting) would *you* find acceptable? : Please define them in terms of what they do rather than the results you'd : like to see them produce (ie: "benchmarks showing 386BSD 1.0 as better : than all other OS's" is an illegal condition). : As you know, Terry, benchmarking is a science. To be complete on this, a technical committe would be the best thing. Certainly some of the older traditional benchmarks (I.E., Livermoore loops) make some sort of statement, but for a fair complete benchmark I would consider no less that 200 tests all weighted and all running on the exact same machine. Of course, this is quite a silly proposition, but then again my full solution would be by committee. : ] : BSD is a standard. So there's a lot of documentation around in : ] : a very good quality. : ] : ] If you think a bunch of contorted thirty year old : ] man pages based on outdated code is documentation, : ] you must be kidding. : I don't speak for all of us, of course, but many of us are contorted : thirty year old men, so this is appropriate documentation. : Seriously, things like the online documentation on NeXT and Solaris and : UnixWare suck just as badly and are frequently less usable. : Exactly why you see "/documentation" on my tag line. : ] : Manual pages are in general more complete and more up to : ] : date than in the rapidely changing Linux environment. : ] : : ] I guess your planning on using stone knives : ] and bear skin clothing for a while. : You haven't pointed at better tools, only criticised existing ones. : This is not constructive. : What existing systems do you consider to be above the quality level of : "stone knives and bear skin clothing"? : I think that the WWW enviroment is a good model. definitely a hypertext type model is most appropriate in my book. To give you a better answer, I will post later this weekend and I have for an improved text (ascii) editing enviroment. -- Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com Zebra Research /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation ___________________________________________________________________________