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From: roger@ans.net (Roger Florkowski)
Subject: Re: HELP I need info on net/free BSD for IBM RT's
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Message-ID: <1994Sep13.154833.122677@ans.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 15:48:33 GMT
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In article <34qlfp$kh6@father.ludd.luth.se> ragge@father.ludd.luth.se (Anders Magnusson) writes:
>In <34pnsi$hvf@spruce.cic.net> pauls@locust.cic.net (Paul Southworth) writes:
>
>>In article <34m2do$amh@debris.cosmic.com>,
>>Marc Spitzer <marc@debris.cosmic.com> wrote:
>>>I need information on Net-BSD and/or Free-BSD for the IBM RT's my school has
>>>10 of these and the are still in the boxs the came in from IBM.  This is
>>>because they do not have an OS for them to run.  Please help these are the
>>>only unix workstations on campus except for one lonely Sun.  And if I rember
>>>right I read about a port of one of the bsd's to the RT.
>
>>Your operating systems choices (to my knowledge) for the RT consist of
>>AIX and AOS4.  AIX is not BSD-based; AOS is.  However, I don't believe that
>>AOS was ever available outside of the academic/research community.  Perhaps
>>someone else can verify that since I haven't used an RT in a while.
>>There is a small dedicated (crazed?) following of the RT -- you may
>>elicit their attention by posting on comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt.
>
>In fact there _is_ an real 4.3 BSD port for RT machines. IBM had
>an department working on it for RT machines, but they moved into the
>AOS environment instead, and noone knows who is responsible for that
>port now. Yep, it was an straightforward port of original 4.3BSD release,
>it even said 4.3 BSD UNIX at the login prompt :)

Well, as far as I know, AOS was as real of a BSD-4.3 port that ever
came out of IBM.  On top of BSD-4.3, interesting things like Sun-NFS
and AFS support were added.  

BSD-4.3-RENO was ported to the RT.  That was a "pure" port, where only
the AOS device drivers were dropped on top of the RENO tape.

BSD-4.4 (almost) was ported to the RT.  It retained the kernel VM, 
proc handling code, and filesystem code from the RENO port.  
Otherwise, it was 100% BSD-4.4.

Of course (and unfortunately) none of these are publicly available.
But the important point is that it *IS* possible.   Which leads me to:

>>Now there *should* be a port of NetBSD to the RT, but it's not on their
>>porting list as of yet.  If anyone's interested in doing it I will try
>>to get them a machine.
>
>I have an friend here who has an RT machine, and has been talking about
>trying to make an NetBSD port, but he lacks some hardware specs on
>his machine. 

I've said before, this *should* be very doable (to make a publicly
available version, based on NetBSD, or whatever).   Especially if you
are willing to ignore a bunch of the IBM adapters and go with generic
PC adapters instead.  (example: ignore the IBM display adapters
altogether, and use an SVGA display instead).  Then you can re-use
much of the x86 code in NetBSD.

But you'll still need many late nights with the TECH docs, since none
of the low-level code was ever publicly released by IBM.

Roger.
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Roger Florkowski   -   Advanced Network & Services, Inc.   -   roger@ans.net