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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.development Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jmonroy From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) Subject: Re: 386BSD is dead; long live 386BSD... Message-ID: <jmonroyCv0t3K.Mww@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <jmonroyCuxMAB.8IL@netcom.com> <33b84i$482@spruce.cic.net> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 03:45:20 GMT Lines: 82 Paul Southworth (pauls@locust.cic.net) wrote: : In article <jmonroyCuxMAB.8IL@netcom.com>, : Jesus Monroy Jr <jmonroy@netcom.com> wrote: : > The purpose of these discussions is, of course, to : > amplify the comments by Bill Jolitz and others in the UNIX : > community that would like to see some changes in the *BSD : > system, as we know it now. As always, we are hoping for : > improvements so that theory and application find a happy : > medium. Please remember though that 386bsd is an : > *experimental Operating System*. : Yes, I keep hearing that last statement repeated again and again. : The problem, however, is that calling it experimental would only excuse : it from holding flaws if it offered some significant "experimental" : features that more stable and/or "production-quality" systems do not. : You haven't even seen the code. what are you blathering about. : The fact is, however, that Mr. Jolitz' work on the operating system is : rapidly becoming irrelevant (to put it nicely) and what they are really : offering are manuscripts on operating system design. : Mr. Southworth, are your trying to profess some type of ignorance? Again, this statement is made without and real knowledge and aside from wasting my time AND NET BANDWITH, I wondering how you derived your menial conclusion. : and he can code whatever he pleases. To us, however, I think it : demonstrates quite clearly that Mr. Jolitz has some dedication to : theoretical and practical work in computer science, but no dedication : whatsoever to end users. : I think I've made this statement in the past, but for extreme clarity I'll make it again. In addition, I'll even point a finger... no let's not do that. In many contexts 386bsd is the beginning, in some it is the end. On this release, we expect no less than 8 commercial companies to close operations. WHY? This is the nature of business. In the same context of "closing business", I expect certain blathering so-called code mungers to get day jobs, maybe watching Mainframes. : Again, that's his prerogative -- the point : is that it's absurd to call 386BSD "competition" for its progeny : (the Net/FreeBSD systems). : I agree. neither system should be consider competition. : If you're interested in running a quality operating system produced by : Mr Southworth, Where do you come up with this...CR*p? You can't make a comparision, when you don't know what the hell you're taking about.... are you employed, on salary with USL or BSDI or the new commmunist league or what? : In the interest of sanity on the net, I would recommend to archive : maintainers that they not put the 386BSD code (the distributable parts) : up on the net at all -- it would serve no-one. The writings might very : well be of interest to many people, but since they aren't freely : redistributable, it's a moot point. Today we already have incessant : flamefests and pointless meandering threads of discussion comparing : NetBSD and FreeBSD (and Linux) -- are you ready to raise that another : order of magnitude by spurring discussion of three or four-way : comparisons? If you think that 386BSD is really something new and : special, then consider it. Otherwise let it be. : Mr. Southworth, In the context of sheer time wasting, meandering, pointless threads (or articles) you out done even me. -- Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com Zebra Research /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation ___________________________________________________________________________