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From: cmetz@sundance.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Craig Metz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Whats wrong with Linux networking ???
Date: 9 Aug 1994 17:08:47 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Division, Naval Research Laboratory
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In article <Cu8CBr.Fx@calcite.rhyolite.com>,
Vernon Schryver <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com> wrote:
>In article <325760$rc9@ra.nrl.navy.mil> cmetz@sundance.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Craig Metz) writes:
>
>> ...
>>	The Linux NFS implementation, the client side especially, is very
>>bare-bones. Because of this, it couldn't hold a candle to the 4.4BSD NFS
>>implementation. I expect, however, that someone will implement improvements
>>from 4.4BSD.

>Rick M's Univ. of Guelph NFS implementation works fine, and is freely
>redistributable, actively maintained, supports TCP as well as UDP, is
>used in 4.4BSD, BSDI's BSD/386, and many other products, and works with
>the freely available AMD.  Except as a training excercise or the result
>of a particularly bad case of Not-Invented-Here syndrome, why would
>anyone want to write another NFS server?

	Vernon, for all your ranting and raving about the evils of Not-
Invented-Here, you sure take an open mind to things that aren't BSD.

					UofG		Linux
	Freely redistributable		Yes		Yes
	Actively maintained		Yes		Mostly
	TCP as well as UDP		Yes		Yes
	Supports AMD			Yes		Yes
	Used in 4.4BSD			Yes		No

	So, the 4.4BSD NFS has two things per your mentioning over Linux's
NFS. First off, it's better maintained. The Linux code has been handed off
a few times now and tends to get handed to extremely competent and extremely
busy people, who generally can do no more than fix major bugs. Second, the
UofG code is used in 4.4BSD. Apparently, this is absolutely essential to
meet your approval.

>If one were going to write an NFS-like-but-different protocol, say
>something with better cache coherence and lock mechanisms, then it would
>might sense to start from scratch.  But something identical to the
>current, old NFS protocol?  Why?

	Vernon, why don't we all use Version 7 UNIX? Why is there a BSD
in the first place?

	Even for the exercise itself, it is essential to do things over
in order to see if it can be done better. Sometimes all that is gained in
such a thing is insight into the problem. Sometimes room for improvement
is found and the status quo is raised. The only thing that is certain is
that not doing anything will certainly get you nowhere. 

	Don't get me wrong, folks. I'm not going around saying that the
Linux network code is the best on the planet or that the Linux NFS code
is better than the UofG NFS code. What I'm saying is that, unlike what
Vernon seems to be advocating, it should not be written off as an arrogant 
waste of time because it's (gasp) NOT BSD. It's different. It's new. It's
decidedly not better. That doesn't mean it can't be improved. That doesn't
mean it can't someday become something better than the BSD code (sacrilege!).

	You'll never find out if there's a better way unless somebody has
the guts to go and try doing it differently.