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From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr)
Subject: Re: Details on the 386BSD Release 1.0 CD-ROM
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Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 09:58:04 GMT
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mail jkh@whisker.hubbard.ie
Re: Subject: Re: Details on the 386BSD Release 1.0 CD-ROM
 
        This is getting really silly.
 
>> In article <jmonroyCptu4u.Bqr@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
>>
>>        These are quite a few rough words, when neither
>>        you nor I have seen the code.  As this is the case,
>>        (that neither one of us has seen the code) I won't
>>        comment on your comment.
>>
>> I can go by past experience just as well as the next person, Jesus,
>> and `innocent until proven guilty' only applies for me when the
>> parties in question haven't been proven guilty in every previous
>> instance.. :-)
>>
        Well if you had bothered to quote me, I might have
        responded to your comments.  Seeing as you did not
        quote me... I won't comment on your comment.
 
 
>>        Then came along some very bad companies.  They
>>        did not like Bill.   Bill did not like them.
>>        They argued.  They called each other nasty names.
>>        Neither Bill nor the companies talk to each other
>>        much now-a-days.
>>
>> I'm not surprised.  Bill, having all the negotiational skills of
>> Joseph Stalin, no doubt turned a number of small tiffs into full-scale
>> wars, which just goes to show that proper handling of the politics
>> surrounding a project are at least as important as the technical
>> issues (in some cases more so).  In any case, there is a lesson to be
>> learned here from Bill, and I hope those wishing to start their own
>> free software efforts are taking heed of it.  Don't alienate your
>> users, and don't poke sleeping giants with sticks! :-)
>>
        Are you speaking for the alienated users or the sleeping
        giants?
 
 
>>        Along with these upset people were people that
>>        thought they knew what was right.   And they
>>        thought Bill was wrong.  They also argued
>>        and disagreed with Bill.  Bill became very upset.
>>        Some said he was a very bad person.  They said that
>>        Bill said bad things.  This was not good.
>>
>>        In the days that followed, Bill left and decided to
>>        take his OS with him.  He did not want play with the
>>        rest of the kids.  This made they rest of the kids very
>>        upset.  They called Bill nasty names.   They also
>>        became very upset if anybody mention Bill's name.
>>        Everyone yelled and scream and was very upset.
>>
>> I just love this prose, folks.  Not only is it wildly innaccurate
>> regarding the sequence and intensity of events, it also grossly over-
>> simplifies just about every aspect of that history.  Jesus, if we
>> wanted the cartoon version of the *BSD history we'd have asked for it.
>>
        What are you talking about!?! ... you did ask for it.
 
>> You should also get your facts straight and perhaps spend a little bit
>> of time talking to all those `bad folks' who spend hours and hours,
>> not to mention many dollars, engaged in long-distance phone calls with
>> Bill, trying to get some idea of what was going on and listening to
>> his increasingly extravagant promises.
>>
        This is your best run-on sentence yet.
 
>> We never asked him to do
>> anything special for us, we simply wanted the truth!  You seem to
>> share his aversion for it, prefering hyperbole and gross exaggeration
>> instead.
>>
        Well, I'll agree that some things get coloured by my
        perception,  but a gross exaggeration is just a
        gross exaggeration.
 
>>
>>        Today we have FreeBSD and friends,  NetBSD and friends,
>>        and 386bsd and friends.   No one can agree on what to do.
>>        No will agree to talk.  To add to this a nasty wanna-be-wizard
>>        named jmonroy@netcom.com is telling everyone.
>>        This is making everyone upset, again.
>>
>> We talk all the time, Jesus.  I don't know anything about the 386BSD
>> camp since NONE OF THE BLOODY "DEVELOPERS" of 386BSD EVER SAY ANYTHING!
>>
        The most interesting part of this whole conversation
        is the fact that I'm quite willing to concede that F***BSD
        and N**BSD have been doing more -- by definition.
        However, you seem addimate(sp?) on the persicution(sp?)
        of my drivel.
 
        (There I spelled drivel correctly... Happpy.)
 
        As a matter of fact, maybe you missed my subliminal
        message of using upper case for N & F and lower case
        for Bill's version.
 
        So what's my point?  I have no point at this time.
        I really am not inclined to continue this conversation
        at your tone.
 
 
>> Physician, heal thyself!  How many here have heard advance reports of
>> what would be in this surprise release of 386BSD 1.0?  How many can
>> claim to have worked on it?  Now how many 386BSD users went over to
>> FreeBSD or NetBSD because of the total lack of committment to them
>> shown by Bill and his unknown cronies?  You can put your hands down
>> now, thank you.
>>
        What the hell is your problem?!?
 
        Months ago -- I asked many members if they were
        willing to talk about the *new* version of
        386bsd when it came out.   You were amoung
        these people.
 
        Now, I am supposed to beleive that Satan and his disciples
        have come to avenge the ruthless Empire.
 
        Give me a damm break!  Let's get to the OS talk -- and
        quit this silly conversation.
 
        My interest is in OS development and my software projects.
        So I will pray that at this juncture we will
        see what we must do and continue.
 
        God help us all.
 
 
>> What this amounts to is the open development groups coming under fire
>> for being `not open enough' from a group that's always had restricted
>> membership and zero "public responsibility" in how they let people in
>> on the process, which is just ludicrous to say the least.
>>
        Well, I'll agree with this -- something you said
        was definitely ludicrous.
 
>> The moral of this story really is: No matter how far they have to
>> distort the truth to support their claims, Bill and Jesus are always
>> right.  As always, these arguments are pointless - how can you argue
>> with someone who spends his life in an alternate dimension where black
>> is white and white is black?
>>
        I'm wondering if I should even answer such a
        crude statement.
 
        1)  I don't see any reason in defending a non-truth.
 
        2)  This story has no morals.
 
        3)  You said "how can you argue with someone".
            I'm glad we're down to one person on this.
 
 
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mail storm@cs.mcgill.ca
Re: Subject: Re: Details on the 386BSD Release 1.0 CD-ROM
 
>> Date: 15 May 1994 18:57:00 GMT
>> In article <jmonroyCptu4u.Bqr@netcom.com>,
>> Jesus Monroy Jr <jmonroy@netcom.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >        Then came along some very bad companies.  They
>> >        did not like Bill.   Bill did not like them.
>> >        They argued.  They called each other nasty names.
>> >        Neither Bill nor the companies talk to each other
>> >        much now-a-days.
>>
>>     of course, bill just so happened to be working for some of
>>     these 'bad' companies at the time, but this tends to be
>>     rather convenient to ignore.
>>
        It's *convenient* to leave it out, because
        the bad company will deny that Bill work
        with them.
 
        (New 386bsd fans: This message is convenient to ignore.)
 
=====================================================================
 
        Last Note:  Anyone else planning to follow up
                    on these comments is only taking
                    the flame-bait.
                    (This comment is a flame-bait.)
 
 

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Jesus Monroy Jr                                          jmonroy@netcom.com
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