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From: cosc19v2@menudo.uh.edu (cosc19v2)
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Impressions: FreeBSD vs Linux
Date: 7 Apr 1994 00:53:48 -0500
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <2nuo9g$dmb@hecate.umd.edu>,
Mark Sienkiewicz <mark@elea.umd.edu> wrote:
>In article <2nt3fk$b0l@menudo.uh.edu>, cosc19v2 <cosc19v2@menudo.uh.edu> wrote:
>>In article <2nq530$7hh@hecate.umd.edu>,
>>Mark Sienkiewicz <mark@elea.umd.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>I think it is *also* typical to blow DOS away and hope to never see it
^^^^^^^
>>WRONG !!!
>
>Are you claiming that I'm the only person in the world who doesn't
>have DOS on my machine?
So, are you the TYPICAL case of the PC owners ?
Don't be obnoxious and look around.
>>Can you tell me how you can run SimCity2000, Typing Tutor, Power Point,
>>Authorware Professional, ...etc. on your *BSD machine ?
>
>How do you run MacPaint on your DOS/Linux machine? I *don't* run those
>applications.
I am not talking about Macs. However, similarly good software do exist
on PC also. If there would be a lot of software such as BSDSimCity,
BSD Power Point, ...etc. it would be fun.
>>I think that what is different b/w Linux users and *BSD users is that
>>the former uses DOS/Linux box as a basis for the applications they use
>>every day, and the latter uses *BSD for *BSD hacking (of course, in this
>>case, you don't need DOS and you don't want to see it again).
>
>This is partly true. It seems typical (there's that word again :)
>that a Linux user is somebody who had a DOS machine and decided to try
>Linux. I *bought* a system for the express purpose of running a
>BSD-like system on it.
>
>Now it doesn't mean that I use the machine exclusively for hacking. News
>and mail are nice everyday applications. So are TeX, xfig, ghostscript,
>xv, flexfax, sc (though I did this years taxes on my 3B1 with SYSV),
>and missileX.
How boring ! Is that all ?
I do the samething and more on my Linux box and
more and more on DOS/Windows for my family.
>>Let me explain how my old PC is being used at home. It is used by
>>3 people. I mostly use Linux, my wife uses Linux for her thesis, and
>...
>>SimEarth, and SimLife. Unlike your (or their) *BSD machines, our PC's
>>uptime is, in many case, less than an hour, since we all want it.
>>So what ?
>
>My point is that a BSD *or* Linux machine that is reporting an uptime
>of 60 days has not been booted under DOS for two months. This is
>roughly the same as not using DOS at all.
>
>>I also thought about installing the *BSD in a whole drive, but
>>I have some useful programs that I already purchased, such as
>...
>>You are going to say, "Buy two PCs", right ? :) :)
>
>No. I'm going to say "You are substantially *DIFFERENT* kind of user than
>I am." I think the BSD install program was written by people like me,
>i.e. people with little interest in DOS.
Every use is different. And do you still think that you are the
TYPICAL (tm)Mark.S PC user ?
>>Gees, it is not worth while to deal with this kind of stiff-necked BSD users.
>>Bye, BSD.
>
>Geez, I make an observation that might explain how it came to be that
>the install program doesn't get along with DOS and somebody flames me
>for not wanting to run the applications that he does.
>
>Re-read my original message. I never said "I am superior because I don't
>use dos". I said "I don't use DOS and I think a lot of other people
>don't either".
I don't like DOS itself either. However, it happens to be a common basis
for much software, and there is a lot of very very good and useful
software (with reasonabe price tag). We just cannot ignore it because
of DOS.
(The only time when I feel "DOS sucks" is when I need to struggle
in installing DOS software properly because of 640K memory limitation,
device driver conflicts, IRQ, DMA conflicts, ..etc.
But anyway, nothing is perfect.)
Besides, I do not feel that I am using DOS when I SimLife (of course,
it does call lots of DOS function calls). The important thing here is
that most software on DOS or Winows are so good that it hides the
complexities of the OS (DOS) and gives us an illusion that OS even
doesn't exist.
Why does Operating System exist ?
I believe that it exists for providing an evironment for application software.
If you believe that *BSD is for everyone's UNIX workstation,
you should not ignore this fact.
>Mark S.
>
>p.s. Ok, everybody flame me now. All together now: 1... 2... 3... :)
Bang ! Did you think that this could avoid my flame :) :) :)
Please ignore my flame in the first paragraph.