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From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: If you were to assemble a new machine...
Date: 18 Jan 1994 06:46:22 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
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Message-ID: <2hg0ju$j7r@homer.cs.mcgill.ca>
References: <1994Jan15.165808.10213@kf8nh.wariat.org> <HVFcgc2w165w@oasys.pc.my>
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In article <HVFcgc2w165w@oasys.pc.my>, Othman Ahmad <othman@oasys.pc.my> wrote:
>bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
>
>> 
>> Depends on what your limitations are.  A SCSI host adapter takes one bus slot
>
>An IDE controller needs ZERO bus slot. It uses the ones on the floppy
>controller, and if you need another IDE disk, just parallel the ATBUS
>connector.

	wonderful rebuttal there---not ten lines from now, you tell
	people to go buy an ide controller if they want reasonable
	performance....

>It has nothing to do with IDE definition. It is more due to the lack of 
>bus mastering controller. If you want performance, equivalent to SCSI,
>buy an IDE bus mastering controller. You'll still get the advantage of
>compatibility and easy upgrade but now it almost cost as much as a SCSI system.
>	With that controller, I can buy an extra hard disk.

	actually, it has everything to do with the ide definition.  the
	defintion, as far as i'm aware [i've been wrong before ;-)]
	does not have any mention of dma in it at all---all i/o
	is polled.

	now, i know that certain vendors have amanged to get around this
	by using various tricks on their motherboards.  however,
	i suspect that these are BIOS level imporvements, and thus
	only operating systems like dos, that use the bios, or
	nt, that will actively detect them, will use them.  otherwise,
	i suspect that the driver one is using will still just do
	polled i/o.

	the only good things about ide drives is that they
	are cheap.  for the average windows user, and to a lesser
	extent, os/2 and nt user, this isn't too bad.  however,
	for any multitasking operating system [including os/2 and
	nt], they start to beome a major limiting factor....


	my machine perked up -big- time when i moved to scsi.


						marc 'em.
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