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From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Status on discussed merge between NetBSD and FreeBSD
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Date: 15 Nov 93 13:57:38 EST
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deraadt@fsa.ca (Theo de Raadt) writes:
>In article <CGHs3y.Au2@kithrup.com> sef@kithrup.com (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
>   Define "stable."  How many major changes are checked in to each try a week?
>   How many minor changes?
>   A system can be buggy as hell, yet still be stable and desirable for that
>   one reason.
>i can't answer this; you will have the ask the current users how stable it
>is on daily/nightly basis.  you don't have to take our word for it.

Speaking as a -current user:  NetBSD-current is as "stable"[sef] as I want it
to be.  While shared libraries were being hashed about during the past two
weeks, my NetBSD-current system was absolutely "stable"[sef]:  because I had
absolutely no time to FTP changes.  However, during that time, NetBSD-current
was also "stable"[jfw] in that it entirely failed to crash despite my continual
use of it as a news-, mail-, and mini-ethernet-hub.  Many of the changes that
render NetBSD-current "unstable"[sef] have been essential to the improvement
in "stability"[jfw]; others of them (like the shared library stuff) have given
me concern about "stability"[jfw] so I held off until people appeared to agree
that they were "stable"[everyone but sef], then picked them up (much to the
rejoicing of my /usr partition).  Frankly, I'm happier with my definition of
"stability"; when my system crashes, I don't really care how many changes
were required to make it crash, nor am I comforted that keeping it from
crashing would require a number of other changes; I just look at the blinking
cursor and the legend "Hit any key to reboot" and mutter unprintables.

>(a round of applause to Paul Kranenburg for his sunos-compatible shared
>library code!)

In particular, especial thanks to Paul Kranenburg for working with *both*
FreeBSD and NetBSD, despite the apparent cantankerousness of some of each.
I was personally dismayed to see the recent article crowing about FreeBSD
finally having shared libraries, in an article that made it appear that this
was a FreeBSD-specific development; I was also dismayed to see another recent
article claiming that "unlike FreeBSD", NetBSD's shared libraries have been
"working perfectly for two weeks", which (I think) overstated the case by quite
a bit.