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From: mycroft@duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Status on discussed merge between NetBSD and FreeBSD
Date: 14 Nov 1993 19:09:30 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
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From: Charles Hannum <mycroft@duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: bootblocks, AST Bravo's, what is DEBUG_VECTOR ?
You are such a cocky prick, I wonder if I should even bother to
explain why you are wrong.
I note that you failed to cite what that was in reply to. Maybe I
should refresh your memory.
>From: bde@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans)
>Subject: Re: bootblocks, AST Bravo's, what is DEBUG_VECTOR ?
>
>Aargh. This was correct in my orignal version, but it got broken for
>NetBSD. You must have got it from an unreliable source :-).
I noticed that not even a single person publicly voiced that Bruce
shouldn't have made such a snide remark. And in fact, what he said
later in that message was wrong, to boot.
Ah. So you *don't* want "your" system to be free, you don't want
it to be picked up by other people, and you don't want to share
stuff that's been contributed to you.
You of course ignored the point. NetBSD is available to *anyone* who
wants it. What is not available to FreeBSD groupies is the choice of
picking carefully through our changes to find the things they want or
need. Maybe I should post Jordan's .bash_history from sun-lamp. (In
fact, I think I will. He left it world-readable, after all.)
Real open. The "net" out of "netbsd" *did* mean that it was to be
open to basicly anyone who wanted to participate, didn't it?
And it still is. However, the FreeBSD people participate in FreeBSD,
not NetBSD, and we have no obligation to support them in their
commercial effort.
Now: I've not seen any of the freebsd people publicly claim that
freebsd is "better."
Then you're not paying attention. I've seen it many times, and it
gets damned tiring.
Oh, and yeah: tell me why you removed me?
Because you are extremely caustic, and we don't trust you? Sounds
like a good reason to me.
Or are you making it not free?
The only people making money off of our code is Walnut Creek, and
anyone they decide to send part of the proceeds to.
Tell me... what have you been doing on your freefall account?
Somehow I can't believe you were checking in changes for
freebsd...
Chris has in fact done exactly that, and I have donated changes to
FreeBSD also.
Uhm, hate to tell you this, buddy, but the shared libraries are
still being tested.
Well, after listening to stories about random segmentation faults,
panics, and various other problems associated with people installing
shared libraries under FreeBSD, I find it just a bit hard to believe
that they were tested *at all* before being put in their source tree.
Am I the only one who sees similarities between this and the
jolitzes?
No. That the FreeBSD people take code from us and do not contribute
back is very reminescent of Jolitz.
As mentioned, the .bash_history Jordan left world-readable. Note that
the only thing he's done is pull changes from our source tree. Why
should we donate cycles and code to the (commercial) FreeBSD effort?
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