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From: nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu (Nate Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Status on discussed merge between NetBSD and FreeBSD
Date: 14 Nov 1993 19:34:44 GMT
Organization: Montana State University, Bozeman  MT
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In article <MYCROFT.93Nov14140930@duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu>,
Charles Hannum <mycroft@duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu> wrote:
>And it still is.  However, the FreeBSD people participate in FreeBSD,
>not NetBSD, and we have no obligation to support them in their
>commercial effort.

Hmm, is this the issue?  Then how come Chris just verbally donated the
code to *YOUR* shared library implementation to BSDI a couple days ago,
yet someone who  distributes code on a stinking CD-ROM is a 'commercial
effort' who shouldn't have access to *YOUR* code?

(The *YOUR* is on purpose. Paul has made it clear that his code is freely 
available to anyone, and not just for NetBSD)

>   Oh, and yeah:  tell me why you removed me?
>
>Because you are extremely caustic, and we don't trust you? 

Caustic?  Hmm, I never heard it that way, but I think anyone who has
seen your postings could say the same about you.
>The only people making money off of our code is Walnut Creek, and
>anyone they decide to send part of the proceeds to.

No-one in FreeBSD (except for Rod in his job as integrator) makes
a dime in FreeBSD from their work.  I've turned down offers of money
from folks just to keep it on the table.

However, we all have real jobs, and real lives, so we don't get to spend
12+ hours/day working on FreeBSD, which fortunately/unfortunately many
of the NetBSD folks 'get' to do.

>   Tell me... what have you been doing on your freefall account?
>   Somehow I can't believe you were checking in changes for
>   freebsd...
>
>Chris has in fact done exactly that, and I have donated changes to
>FreeBSD also.

Unlike Chris, those changes were from NetBSD and you offered them to
FreeBSD afterwards.  You don't happen to mention the recent work
you've done in *obtaining* FreeBSD code.


Here's a questions I'd like to pose.  Do all the people who donate their
code to NetBSD realize that the only way that the general public can see
their code is after you've hacked and slashed it up?

(And *possibly* introduced bugs to it.  Naw, you never introduce bugs in it,
do you?)

(I'm actually humored by all of this)

Nate
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