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Subject: Re: [RFD] Election of a new Moderator
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From: root@stranneek.nsi.nasa.gov (Michael C. Newell)
Date: 11 Nov 93 11:25:01 +0600
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I'm sitting here trying to catch up with NEWS in the
comp.os.386bsd.APPS group, and I keep seeing page after
page of some sort of diatribe generated by a person
called "Jesus Monroy".  Is it possible to move this
discussion to a more appropriate group, such as 
"alt.jmonroy.bash.bash.bash"?

As far as I can tell Mr. Monroy has a problem with
Mr. Demetriou's management of the "c.o.3.a" group.
This apparently stems from Mr. Demertriou's desire to
verify a repost request from Mr. Monroy.  Mr. Monroy
seems to feel this is a "conflict of interest."  Most
replies that I've seen seem to lean more toward defining
it as "responsible management."

In Mr. Demetriou's defence, I've had a number of problems
with 386bsd in the past that he and his group have
cheerfully helped me overcome.  I never recieved replies
to requests to the 386bsd authors.  Again, this points
to "responsibility".  Having read many of Mr. Monroy's
postings, I must heartily agree.  

HisMr. Demetriou's work is based on 386bsd, which he freely
admits.  He has differences of opinion with the original
developers.  Many of us do.  This does not constitute a
conflict of interest; this constitutes a difference of
opinion.  Even  though there are obviously differences of 
opinion between Mr. Demetriou and the FreeBSD folks, I see
many FreeBSD postings.  Mr. Monroy seems to feel that since 
there are no 386bsd postings, Mr. Demetriou is witholding them;
he seems to ingore the possibility that there aren't any
postings because nobody is posting...

Indeed, the other c.o.3 groups obviously aren't being
moderated (although I personally am beginning to wish
they were!)  The point was made by another poster that
if Mr. Demetriou was blocking posts, why haven't they
been sent to the un-moderated groups?  Mr. Monroy 
dismisses this as "irrelevant".  Why is this irrelevant?
Mr. Monroy neglected to explain this point.  But then
again, Mr. Monroy as neglected to explain any of his
points.

I've read most of the responses to Mr. Monroy's
postings.  I haven't seen any support for him.  If Mr. 
Demetriou is truly blocking postings, why haven't other
poster's entered the debate?  Perhaps, Mr. Monroy,
because there aren't any?  Or is this another "irrelevant"
point?

I fully support Mr. Demetriou's work.  I use his software,
have received his help, and very much appreciate his
work (and the work of many others) in providing me
with an extremely useful piece of software.  Free.  As
far as I can tell Mr. Monroy's contribution consists 
entirely of virtually unintelligable rantings based on
exceedingly faulty logic.  He should switch carreers (if
he has one other than posting drivel) to politics.  He's
a natural.

If an "RFD" to this group is required, maybe it should read
"Reqeust for Discussion: Installation of a Jesus Monroy
Filter on the COMP.OS.386BSD NEWS Groups."

Of course, Mr. Demetriou has indeed confessed to at least two
definate conflicts of interest - he "eats", and he "has a 
life".  Clearly Mr. Monroy suffers from neither of these 
distractions; this probably explains the content of his
messages.  Perhaps he should consider taking these up;
especially the latter...

-- 

Michael C. Newell
NASA Advanced Network Applications
mnewell@nsipo.nasa.gov