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From: cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Evidence to the moderators conflict-of-interest
Followup-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Date: 10 Nov 93 04:13:31
Organization: Kernel Hackers 'r' Us
Lines: 127
Message-ID: <CGD.93Nov10041331@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
References: <jmonroyCG9v5u.K7D@netcom.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: jmonroy@netcom.com's message of Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:44:17 GMT

[ sorry for the wide cross-posting; followups to c.o.3.misc -- cgd ]

In article <jmonroyCG9v5u.K7D@netcom.com>,
    jmonroy@netcom.com (Inflatable Jesus) writes:
=	   This be it a fact,
=	   that you did receive article(s) from me, you must act duely
=	   in a timely fashion.

i must do *NO SUCH THING*.  (although the duel thought is tempting.  8-)

=          Further, not responding and posting other
=	   articles is in fact a misrepresentation that you are acting
=	   responsibly and without conflict.

BZZT, think again.  how about "other articles received before yours?"
"oh yeah".  and also think about the fact that in order to post 'yours'
i had to spend a good amount of time tracking the real versions down, etc.

=	   When original responding you did not
=	   say "ya or na"; you simple refused to answer.

you never asked whether or not i was going to post yours.  i responded
as soon as i decided exactly what to do (and that *was* then).

=          Ignoring
=	   articles after acknowledgement is a shunting of your
=	   duties with a visible conflict-of-interest.

no, it shows that i only have a limited amount of time to pursue
these things; as noted, it took a fair amount of time to hunt down
the most recent versions of the articles, add the headers, etc.

=   >> i decided that since the intent of your posting was to get the
=   >> FAQ on the newsgroup, i was going to:
=   >> (1) get the FAQ from the news archives
=   >> (2) repost it indicating:
=   >> (a) that it was a repost
=   >> (b) that you requested the repost, becaue there was
=   >>      no version available on the newsgroups, and
=   >>      because a version wasn't seen 'in the wings'
=   >> (c) the complete headers of the original articles
=   >>
=	 You neither implied nor mentioned this in any previous
=	 messages to me.

that's because that's what i decided after i finished reading
'your' postings this afternoon.

=   >> the reasons for this:
=   >> (1) it give proper attribution for the original postings,
=   >>      something which you failed to do
=   >>
=       Untrue.  All articles were sent "as posted" to the "announce".
=       I neither modified nor did I claim responsiblity for the
=       articles.

you didn't include the original 'From:' line; i consider
that to be part of the attribution.  as to whether or not you
modified them, i don't know, and it would have taken longer to
check than to get new versions.

=       The articles are "self attributed" by the authors.
=       I did not remove nor did I modify the original contents
=       of the articles.

i didn't read the copies that you sent me.  however, as i'm
sure people would agree, your recent behaviour has shown
that i cannot put much faith in anything that you do; you've
a vested interest in trying to 'unseat' me, though i don't
know what interest it is.

=   >> note the header on this message (and those of the rest of the mail
=   >> i've sent you).  if you repost it, in whole or part without
=   >> prior explicit permission from me, i will take it up with your
=   >> sysadmins there at netcom.  Note that this reply DOES NOT constitute
=   >> any sort of approval for reposting.
=   >>
=	   I'm afraid it does my friend.  Laws concerning the
=	   recording of a two-way conversatin are already in place.

*chuckle* well, that's the last piece of mail of *yours* that i ever
reply to.

=       Since you did decide to answer and you did decide to repost the
=       FAQ for 386bsd yourself, you must now act in a timely fashion.
=
=       Not acting in a timely fashion will plainly show your
=       conflict-of-interst here.  Ignoring my mail will also show a
=       plain conflict-of-interst.  It also shows that you are not
=       acting responsibly as moderator of "announce".
=
=       Further, I should expect that you will make a statement about this
=       so you might consider putting a schedule to your action.
=       Not doing so will show a conflict-of-interst on your part.

"hahahahahaha"


jesus:

some things which i advise you to consider:
	(1) repeated behaviour in this fashion constitutes harrassment
		in my book.  i'm damned tempted to see if
		postmaster@netcom.com agrees with me.
	(2) it's quite obvious to me that you've no support in this
		matter; if you did, i'd *consider* resigning.  as it is,
		you're just wasting my time.
	(3) you'll have a *very* hard time forcibly replacing me as
		moderator; it more or less just isn't done.  I'd strongly
		suggest that you *DO NOT* approve postings to .announce
		yourself at any time in the future; that *will* get
		your account shut off after a warning or two, if your
		sysad is at all responsible.  consider this a warning.
	(4) i will *NOT* use capital letters unless i damn well feel
		like it.  (other readers: in private mail he made a
		sarcastic comment that indicated that he thought
		i should do so.  8-)

buzz off, and grow up.



cgd
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chris g. demetriou                                   cgd@cs.berkeley.edu

                    smarter than your average clam.