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From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr)
Subject: WILL ???BSD DIE?
Message-ID: <jmonroyCFv39C.Iv1@netcom.com>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 11:15:11 GMT
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mail cgd@agate.berkeley.edu
Re: Subject: Status of 386BSD FTP Site on agate.berkeley.edu
I've cross-posted this to the other PD OSes, because
it's time to move on.
FANS, this is going to be ....
>> Date: 1 Nov 1993 19:41:25 -0800
>>
>> Barring serious objections, the 386BSD FTP Site on agate.berkeley.edu
>> will be disappearing on December 1, 1993.
>>
You must be kidding. Please define a "serious objection".
>> There are several reasons for this:
>>
>> (1) the 386BSD ftp site is taking up approximately 120M
>> of disk space, which can be better used for other
>> things.
>>
Yes, I here NETBSD might actually need this space.
Is this true?
>> (2) the 386BSD 0.1 release is no longer very useful;
>> it is old, and newer, more stable and usable
>> releases have been made.
>>
This is an opinion. That you hold. Please substitute
this with some meaningful jargon.
Like, what it is that you consider to be
"more stable and usable". Obviously not enough
people have jumped ship for you to consider NETBSD
as un-useful.
>> (3) For all intents and purposes, 386BSD 0.1 is 'unsupported'.
>>
This is argueable.
>> There was an unofficial patch kit at one point,
>> but that has since been abandoned, and support by
>> the author has always been minimal.
>>
The unofickel patch kit died a happy death.
Why you should point this out is just the type of
retoric I expect from you.
YES,,, I'm taking your comments on.
I've been wondering for quite a while as to your
"official-unoffical" status.
As the moderator of "announce" your role has at best been
obtrusive. I know from my own past experience that the
pitifull excuses, and muses you contrive bear a real
relivence to a certain purple dinasour.
>> Therefore, considering that 386BSD 0.1 has little futher useful
>> purpose, is unsupported and only marginally usable, that we need
>> the disk space, and that there are better alternatives available,
>> I propose that it is yanked from the agate.berkeley.edu ftp site.
>>
Why did you even bother to ask?
>> If you have comments on this, please send them to me, and i will
>> take them into consideration.
>>
Give me a break...
I am as frustrated as anyone else working on the project.
Be it that it is, promises were made to individual and promises were
broken. From what I can see nearly 1/2 of those involved should
keep there day jobs. The remaining 90% have probabely never seen
the inside of PC, let alone write some serious code for this
overgrown Altair.
So I guess this is as good as any time to pull and
Osborne. ........YES, YES, YES, Let's announce the new model
before there is enough money to make it. Seriously I expect you
are trying to belay the entire project. Others won't say
publically, but I will.
IF EVER THERE WAS A TIME FOR YOU TO RESIGN THIS IS IT.
Resign as moderator, and delete to your hearts content. I've
had enough bickering from the so-called proponents of a stable
OS. Get off the pot, buddy -- someone else needs to use the can.
Many other groups have fine ideas for improving this obsolete
beast. Let's hear them. I constantely read of real improvements
made to LINUX, MINX (ha isn't that funny), Coherent, and OS/2.
OK, not all ideas are great, not all ideas work, but without
listening there is no use kidding ourselves. THIS PROJECT WILL
DIE. I wonder how people put up with the constant retort.
"I've done this and that.. what have you done?", constantly,
cursing the thing they need most.
Those of you that wonder where I've been -- I've been busy,
with a real project where money pays and if someone objects to
my code... I modify.
Some people have a religious intent with *BSD, I don't.
CHRIS resign. Take your merry men with you. While your at it
take those (subsubsub) contractors to BSDI with you.
You (subsubsub) contractors don't write to tell me how useless
your code is. Hackers in general -- don't take this personally.
I've just had enough... not enough to quit... but just enough to
tell people where to go for Christmas. Those of you working on
FreeBSD have my opinions.
This leaves the people who like me.. well may all five of us
can get together someday. I guess we'll call it the
"We get pead-on for speak our own opinion".
That's all I have to say... missspellingsss and alll/
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