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From: mycroft@duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Comparing anything to NetBSD
Date: 12 Sep 1993 01:08:18 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
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In-reply-to: nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu's message of 11 Sep 1993 18:29:17 GMT
In article <26t5dt$80e@pdq.coe.montana.edu> nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu
(Nate Williams) writes:
In article <DERAADT.93Sep10232713@newt.fsa.ca>, Theo de Raadt
<deraadt@fsa.ca> wrote:
In article <almCD66yI.6LH@netcom.com> alm@netcom.com (Andrew
Moore) writes:
In the mean time, I think it is safe to say that FreeBSD is
putting more effort into i386-specific support.
In the meantime, I think it's completely stupid to say anything
of the kind.
In general, you can ignore anything Theo says after you make any
comparisons to NetBSD, [...]
In general, you can ignore anything any of the FreeBSD or NetBSD
people say after such a comparison, because they are all (including
myself) biased assholes who just want to push their own system.
Well, most of the time, anyway.
Actually, I agree with Theo. Saying that FreeBSD is putting any more
work into i386 support is ludicrous, and is only worsened by the fact
that where you have stepped you've introduced new bugs.
Have you integrated the changes for >640K kernels (without losing 640K
of memory)? No, but it's in NetBSD-current. Have you fixed any of
the spl stupidities (broken swtch(), broken drivers)? No, but it's in
NetBSD-current. Who fixed the broken boot blocks? Me. Who fixed the
GCC 2 bug that was causing kernels to hang? Me. Who is actually
working on the stupid probe bugs? Me. Who is distributing GCC in
such a way that it violates the GPL? You.
Should I stop now? Yes. I won't even mention your crusty ISOFS, PCFS
and other things.
because NetBSD is perfect, and anything that is compared to NetBSD
is a piece of s*it.
And I suppose that FreeBSD *is* perfect? We never claimed we didn't
have problems; Hell, we have a publicly available bug list for anyone
who wants to read it. Some of the bugs are pretty embarrassing, and
I'm pretty sure they (and a host of others that we have fixed) are all
in FreeBSD, too.
But, he is a pretty good hacker, so most of the time it makes up
for it.
Nothing `makes up' for rudeness; neither from Theo nor from me nor
from you. However, sometimes other things are more important.