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Subject: Re: 386BSD Participation
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References: <1993Jun25.140526.1385@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> <1993Jun25.145818.13457@bert.eecs.uic.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1993 06:54:50 GMT

In article <1993Jun25.145818.13457@bert.eecs.uic.edu> zmola@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Carl Zmola) writes:
>From: zmola@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Carl Zmola)
>Subject: Re: 386BSD Participation
>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 14:58:18 GMT
>kaleb@octopus (Kaleb Keithley) writes:
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>>Press 'n' now to avoid more mindless drivel :-)
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>	Good advice, I wish I had taken it.
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>>conklin@kaleida.com (J.T. Conklin) writes:
>>>bj> The "greed" battle for control, or "cold" war begins. 386bsd
>>>bj> florishes, as real people finally get a chance to participate with
>>>bj> BSD, something they have waited for ten years for.
>>>
>>>I don't see that anyone has had a chance to participate.  I am sure
>>>that lots of people have contributed their work to you, but that is
>>>not the same as _participation_.
>>>
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>>I agree with J.T. It seems like the vast majority of "us" weren't "real" 
>>enough to participate. My fledgling attempts to participate were met with 
>>official silence, and unofficial flames from self-important nobodies and
>>thinly veiled threats. Life's too short to put up with that, and I've got
>>other things to do too, so if it seems like I didn't try very hard, you're 
>>absolutely right.
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>	Managing a software project is difficult, especially if you don't
>know the capabilities of your contributers before hand.  386BSD has always
>been a closed door product.  "you contribute your code, and if we can use
>it, we will".  I like this approach.  For me it gives me some stability
>(even if there are some bugs), as opposed to Linux or other systems where
>there is a patch a week.
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>>If 386BSD is a truly public effort, the coordinators need to make the time 
>>in their busy schedules to do some coordinating. A simple 'yes we need that, 
>>and no one is currently working on it' or 'no, someone else is already on 
>>it, contact them' would suffice. If it's a club, and only members are 
>>allowed to participate, then at least you could have made that clear at 
>>the outset.
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>	I really hope that Bill Jolitz was more polite then you make him out
>to be, and I also hope you didn't nag him to death.  I've known friendly 
>systems people (enter your favorite campus support person here) 
>who would chew your head off if you ask for something to be done in less
>then two days.  No one is perfect, but there is no reason to flame on the net.
>If you don't like it, use a different system. 
> 
>>It's certainly admirable to release software like 386BSD into the domain 
>>of freely redistributable software.  But let's cut through the altruistic 
>>bullshit -- you're being handsomely rewarded for your efforts, both tangibly 
>>and intangibly. DDJ pays for the articles they print. I'd wager the publisher 
>>of "the book" ponied up a healthy advance. Are you counting your royalties 
>>yet -- I doubt you'll be selling as many copies as Jurassic Park? And to 
>>top it all off, you have your place in the sun along with Stallman and 
>>Torvalds.
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>	Everyone has to make a living, and Giving away your programming
>time usually doesn't cut it.
>
>>If you want to cry in your beer in the corner of a bar somewhere, that's 
>>your priviledge and your business. If you want to whine in public about 
>>some wrong that someone has done to you, real or imagined, then take your 
>>snivel rag and go home, because we don't want to hear it.
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>	On the same note, don't expect red carpet treatment, or to even 
>be acknowledged.  People are busy, and some people are especially busy.
>It would be nice if they could be courteous, but they have no obligation to.
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>	Carl
>	Zmola@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu
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