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From: delozier@condor.mcs.kent.edu (Greg Delozier)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.linux
Subject: Small PC OS's (Was: Re: Choosing a Unix like OS for a pc)
Date: 5 Jul 1993 22:26:28 GMT
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mark@elea.umd.edu (Mark Sienkiewicz) writes:
>delozier@condor.mcs.kent.edu (Greg Delozier) writes:
>
>>By the way, DOS/Oberon currently ships as a 32-bit operating system/
>>compiler/GUI toolkit/DOS extender/painting package/document editor/
>>techical illustrator/scripting system in well under a megabyte of files.
>>I had someone ask how many floppies he should bring in to get a copy
>>of Oberon, and when I told him just one, he nearly dropped.
>
>The last DOS machine that I got has 2.1 meg of just DOS.  Plus 2 "EISA
>config and utilities" disks...  Are you refering to DOS + Oberon is < 1 meg
>or just the Oberon part?

Well, actually, just the Oberon part. However, I suspect that Oberon plus
the few bits of DOS it needs might fit inside one meg. 

[ My quoted wish list deleted ]

>You don't want much.  Seriously.

To the contrary, it seems I want a great deal, as evidenced by the scarcity
of operating systems that meet this balance of criteria. I could (in fact,
do) postulate that it's probably easier to make a *big* effective operating system
than a small one, since discarding features is often harder than adding
(oops adding) new ones.

>I would say Netbsd meets 1-2, 4-11, 13-16.  It misses 3 only because you
>ask for a _simple_ image model.  X is complicated, but it does a lot.

Yes, it does a lot of things I don't need done, and makes me pay for the 
time/space tradeoffs necessary to do those things. And even so, it doesn't
do everything. Rotated text, for instance?

>>On a Sparcstation, maybe you can lose this overhead in sheer processor
>>performance, but on my 386, for instance, X-window calls are just
>>not going to do convincing 3-d animation. Oberon does.
>
>You are willing to give up items 8-16 so you can have 3D animation.  I'm
>willing to give up 3D animation so I can have all this other stuff.
>
Exactly and precisely. My job *requires* real-time video analysis and
real-time animation, so I have a very different set of tradeoffs. Thanks
for recognizing that there are tradeoffs. In the world of new PC 
operating systems, I consider that progress...

-greg