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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!news.Hawaii.Edu!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utah-morgan!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cs.weber.edu!terry From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) Subject: Re: Digiboards and BSDI/386 Message-ID: <1993Jun15.195556.3777@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: Weber State University, Ogden, UT References: <1993Jun12.092715.6266@spcvxb.spc.edu> <1993Jun15.020335.19545@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <1993Jun15.110517.6302@spcvxb.spc.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 19:55:56 GMT Lines: 65 In article <1993Jun15.110517.6302@spcvxb.spc.edu> mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes: >In article <1993Jun15.020335.19545@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes: >> I was responding to someone who wondered why the original complaint against >> posts to comp.os.386bsd.misc on BSDI issues were complained about... with >> that in mind: >Who is benefitting? I am! A lot of helpful people read this newsgroup. >All political arguments aside, in my short experience with the Jolitz >vs BSDI debate, it seems that the OS's are similar enough that it isn't >in terribly bad taste to ask quesitons about them both here. If you >think that is bad, fine....put me in your kill file. You seem to believe that these represent my firm and honest opinions rather than an answer to the question "Why are people so touchy?". In other articles, I have stated what *MY* concerns were: mainly I would like to avoid BSDI and 386BSD being considered synonymous and that BSDI should not be considered an offshoot of 386BSD or vice versa. >> PS: Try asking OS/2 questions in comp.os.386bsd.misc or comp.unix.bsd as >> an experiment, and let me know if you get flamed. If BSDI wants their >> own heirarchy, the rules for newsgroup creation are clear. > >The OS/2 question in the 386bsd group isn't a terribly good example. >There is very little in common between the two systems. However, >BSDI/386 and 386/BSD are quite similar, and helpful tips for users >of one system could very well be of interest to all. Do you really >begrudge me a little knowledge THAT much??? OS/2 was the example given by you. I was simply indicating that it wasn't a good example (and I'm glad you now agree with me) by tautology. As to similarity, I think you'll agree that BSDI's support for 386BSD's ABI has to be factored into the equation. BSDI's ability to run 386BSD binaries has prevented the release of several commercial products on a "freeware" basis for 386BSD, since the companies would lose revenue from a commercial OS. These same packages have been released to the Linux community free of charge (because no one runs Linux binaries but Linux -- yet). Meanwhile, until very recently, 386BSD has not been able to run commercial binaries for BSDI, and thus has not benefitted from commercial applications developers work on BSDI's OS. >Besides, I >am not even a user of EITHER system now. I was just asking some general >questions when somebody (was it you?) jumped down my throat. No, it *wasn't* me; I was responding to your followup question about why some people are "touchy" (a semantically loaded word which could be construed to have been used as flamebait -- since it implies a culturally negative condition in the original poster). In my opinion, there are many justifications for this, some of them valid. >No hard feelings, None taken. Terry Lambert terry@icarus.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.