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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!news.Hawaii.Edu!ames!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!acs.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!xenlink!fsa.ca!deraadt From: deraadt@fsa.ca (Theo de Raadt) Subject: Re: So you say you want an interim release of 386bsd? (What to do?) In-Reply-To: briggs@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 23 Apr 1993 09: 25:13 -0400 Message-ID: <DERAADT.93Apr24135253@newt.fsa.ca> Sender: news@fsa.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: newt.fsa.ca Organization: little lizard city References: <1993Apr21.193218.5724@cs.few.eur.nl> <GENE.93A <2109@hcshh.hcs.de> <1r8qnp$1dc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 20:52:53 GMT Lines: 41 In article <1r8qnp$1dc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> briggs@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Allen `Xext' Briggs) writes: > I think a reminder is probably in order. The Jolitz' appear to be > sticking to the CSRG release system. The CSRG tended to release even > numbered releases with new ideas/experiments/innovations/bugs. Odd > numbered releases tended to be stable, bug-fixing releases. This is irrelevant, misleading, etc. The CSRG works cooperatively with many people, not in a vacuum, but the Jolitz' obviously want to. > Everyone would like a stable system. Kernel hackers live with unstable > systems, but I don't think anyone *likes* living with them. > > There are some good reasons for revamping the kernel interfaces now as > opposed to five years from now. There are some good reasons for not > doing so. I'm a kernel person. I don't see any reason to revamp stuff. > 0.2 is a somewhat different entity in that many of its changes sound > like they will not be very compatible with 0.1. I beleive Chris > mentioned in his announcement that NetBSD would pick pieces from 0.2 > after it's available. Following the assumptions in the previous > paragraphs, these will bring the 0.1+pk and NetBSD paths converging > with 0._3_ (stable 0.2) when that's available. The process then starts > anew as 0.4 starts exploring new ground. What a wonderful plan. It gives people a useable and stable operating 386BSD operating system around the turn of the century. > This kind of development has great potential to produce a very rich > system. I concur with Hellmuth, though, that it needs some coherency, > and at least a couple of consistent, visible, organizers for it to > work. Hopefully MacBSD can be integrated into this whole process, too > (E-mail for FAQ on MacBSD, such as it is :). A very rich system inconsistant with many of the ways that standard BSD unix works, it appears. <tdr. -- This space not left unintentionally unblank. deraadt@fsa.ca