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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!gary From: gary@minmet.uq.oz.au (Gary Roberts) Subject: Re: So you say you want an interim release of 386bsd? (What to do?) Message-ID: <C618L3.9y2@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> Sender: news@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (USENET News System) Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland References: <1qvpc9$1e8@agate.berkeley.edu> <1r067g$915@lobster.sid.mcet.edu> <CGD.93Apr19235932@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU> <C5sCvr.3G1@unx.sas.com> <CGD.93Apr20124457@gaia.CS.Berkeley.EDU> <GENE.93Apr21081836@stark.uucp> <1993Apr21.193218.5724@cs.few.eur.nl> <GENE.93A <2109@hcshh.hcs.de> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 09:19:51 GMT Lines: 79 hm@hcshh.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) writes: > > [much sensible stuff deleted] > >I would really like everyone is pulling at the same end of the rope. >Why is'nt it possible to unite? >Proposal: - merge 0.1.5 and NetBSD into "one" NetBSD. > - provide a patchkit which will people allow to move > from 0.1 + pk to NetBSD > - stop any support for 386BSD 0.1 YES, YES, YES!!! Splitting into multiple (and diverging) streams must surely lead to reduction of useful output, slowing of development, disenchantment of the user population out there and the risk of ultimate annihilation. The majority of 386BSD users want a stable and productive environment without the politics, the flame-wars, the endless "this *nix is better than that *nix because I sez so" arguments. We users appreciate the work of the wizards in putting together patch-kits and archives of ported software, etc. Even although Rod Grimes has stated that he will be running both systems and extracting the best from both for the benefit of the users, there must surely be a limit to how much he can do. >After this we would have Chris + friends working on the stable, working >side of 386BSD, being very present and responsive and responsible for >the production version with patches, FAQ's etc, on the other side would >be 0.2 as a new (incompatibe?) way of an operating system experiment >to try out new roads. Sounds great to me!! The goals stated by Chris & Co are exactly my goals. I have been using 386BSD for about four months now and am very grateful for the work done by people like Terry, Nate, Chris, Julian, Charles Hannum, Jordan Hubbard, Rod Grimes, and many others too numerous to mention, as well as the original developers of 386BSD. I wish the Jolitz's well with the development of 0.2 but that development seems to portend a radical change in direction and is thus not really of interest to me at this stage. My aim is to duplicate my work environment (Sparcstation + SunOS 4.1.3 + OpenLook) on a 486 Notebook PC. In fact with what I now have (Notebook + Docking station + 16M + 325M + 386bsd-0.1.2.3 + XFree86-1.2) I reckon my "portable" environment is better than my work environment. My fear is that the current apparent divergence of effort will lead to much more chaos and misunderstanding out here in user-land. We users are really grateful for the tireless efforts of those who contribute to the stability and usefulness of *all* PC *nixes. We rely on the freely given work of many gurus and we hate to see what appears to be the first signs of disintegration. My fervent hope is that just one 386BSD/NetBSD stream will emerge with everyone pulling in the same direction. It would seem that if those working on 386BSD-0.1.5 could join with the NetBSD folks and if the great Rod Grimes could unite everything patchkitwise, we would have the best possible situation. That way the 0.2 developers could work in the background at their own pace and according to their own timetable, whilst the vast majority of average users, like myself, could continue to enjoy what is really a beautiful (and stable!!) operating system. > > [still more good stuff deleted] > >still confused, >hellmuth >-- >hellmuth michaelis HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH hamburg, europe >hm@hcshh.hcs.de tel: +49/40/55903-170 fax: +49/40/5591486 Confused, YES, but very sad also. Cheers, -- Gary Roberts | Ph: +617-3654176 Mining & Met Engineering | Fax: +617-3654377 University of Queensland | Internet: gary@minmet.uq.oz.au Brisbane. 4072 AUSTRALIA |