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From: jwinstea@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.)
Subject: Re: 386bsd, linux: which runs more out of the box?
In-Reply-To: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu's message of 24 Mar 1993 21:56:53 GMT
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In article <1oqlf5$i8b@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:

   In article <SCT.93Mar23224452@belnahua.dcs.ed.ac.uk> sct@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stephen Tweedie) writes:
   >To the very best of my knowledge - and filesystems is What I Do on Linux
   >- there are no known bugs in the efs, minix or xiafs file systems.

   I've had huge problems with the minix filesystem in a number of
   recent releases, and I've seen reports of similar-looking efs
   snafus.  This isn't a SCSI problem; I have IDE.

What were the problems?  I've seen a couple of people that very
vehemently say that the minix (or ext or ext2 or xia) filesystem is
buggy, and then provide absolutely no clue as to what problem they
had!  I don't expect any sort of full-on bug report that tells exactly
what the problem is, but is it too much effort to say "fsck reported
an inode was bad and said it fixed it, but next time I run fsck, it
complains about the same thing!"

   My guess, in fact, is that the bug is in fsck (and efsck, which is
   based on fsck).  The "standard" SLS system doesn't run fsck on boot,
   so it's not surprising that there have been few such bug reports;
   I think we might see a lot more if Peter got round to putting a decent
   shutdown/rc package in SLS.

I do run fsck on boot on all of my partitions, and I haven't had a
significant filesystem problem with Linux since the very first
versions of the extended filesystem.  Not a single one, and that's
under lots of heavy use.  (Heavy use = X + kernel compilation + other
stuff).

If you want an /etc/rc script that handles automatically doing fsck
upon bootup, let me know and I'll send you one.  It also handles
runlevels and has potential to do all sorts of pretty neat stuff once
it's completely finished, and it doesn't rely on a funky init program,
but just uses the simpleinit from poeigl.

   I don't mean to be complaining about free software, but I've lost
   a lot of valuable data from the minix fs on a lot of occasions, and
   it rather disturbs me when people claim that it's bug-free.  Fsck
   is a necessary part of the filesystem; if you can't recover all
   written data after an arbitrary crash, then your filesystem is
   broken.  Period.

If you aren't backing up important data on a regular basis, you are
broken.  Period.
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