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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.os.386bsd.questions
Subject: Re: 386bsd, linux: which runs more out of the box?
Date: 24 Mar 1993 21:56:53 GMT
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References: <CGD.93Mar23030821@erewhon.CS.Berkeley.EDU> <hwr.732890376@snert.ka.sub.org> <SCT.93Mar23224452@belnahua.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
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In article <SCT.93Mar23224452@belnahua.dcs.ed.ac.uk> sct@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stephen Tweedie) writes:
>hwr@snert.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp) writes:
>
>> There is another thing to consider: 386bsd has a stable BSD-FFS and
>> stable networking, while there are bugs in the Linux efs and in their
>> networking.
>
>Whoah there!!!!
>
>To the very best of my knowledge - and filesystems is What I Do on Linux
>- there are no known bugs in the efs, minix or xiafs file systems.

Bollocks.

I've had huge problems with the minix filesystem in a number of
recent releases, and I've seen reports of similar-looking efs
snafus.  This isn't a SCSI problem; I have IDE.

My guess, in fact, is that the bug is in fsck (and efsck, which is
based on fsck).  The "standard" SLS system doesn't run fsck on boot,
so it's not surprising that there have been few such bug reports;
I think we might see a lot more if Peter got round to putting a decent
shutdown/rc package in SLS.

I don't mean to be complaining about free software, but I've lost
a lot of valuable data from the minix fs on a lot of occasions, and
it rather disturbs me when people claim that it's bug-free.  Fsck
is a necessary part of the filesystem; if you can't recover all
written data after an arbitrary crash, then your filesystem is
broken.  Period.

c