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Subject: Re: George William Herbert's Challenge - Part 6 (The question of motive)
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(I know, Chris, I said I wasn't going to do this anymore...)

In article <1993Feb5.105510.9628@igor.tamri.com> jbass@igor.tamri.com (John Bass) writes:
>  A) Things that appear to be facts(?):

Unlikely.

>	1) BSDI was formed by, it's board of directors are, and it's
>	   staff are, mostly current and/or former UCB's CSRG employees.

Who?  The only two CSRG members I'm aware of who are associated with CSRG
are Mike Karels and Kirk McKusick.  That's two out of, what, at least
seven employees?  (That I've talked with directly.)

>	2) That Bill Jolitz (also CSRG staff) had also done major work for BSDI.

I wasn't aware that Bill was ever CSRG staff.

>	7) My own review of 386BSD shows AT&T code segments and design
>	   in major sections of the 386BSD kernel, and Net-2. The AT&T
>	   claim seems to have ATLEAST some merit.

My reviews show otherwise.  Nyah nyah nyah.

>  B) Rumors with credibility:
>	9) There is CSRG funded work, post Net-2, common to both Jolitz & BSDI.

Oh?  What?  To the best of my knowledge, Bill and Lynne got nothing from
UCB other than the Net/2 tape (if they had, some things would be very different
from how they are now, I suspect).

>12) The primary motive was to make money if BSDI went big time,
>the secondary motive was to enhance their prestege in the
>usenix community.

Yeah.  Keith, Kirk, Mike, and Donn don't have enough prestige as it is now.

Since you claim infringement, John, why don't you show it?  Give us exact
files and lines that are "pirated" (your words).