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From: toreh@bootes.sds.no (Tore Haraldsen)
Subject: Re: George William Herbert's Challenge - Part 4 (copyright & derived works)
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(How I hate getting into this lame debate...)
In article <1993Feb3.175211.13214@igor.tamri.com> jbass@igor.tamri.com (John Bass) writes:
>In regard to derived works, standards from other parts of the publishing
>industries need to be examined. Take music for example.
>
>If we have a well known piece, like "Jingle Bells" and someone comes along
>with a tune that sounds just like it ... IE has the same rhythm and melody
>... then we without question would call it a rendition of "Jingle Bells",
>no matter how much the author claims it to be a new piece ... even if
>EVERY note, EVERY chord, and every other technical description is different
>from the original.
>
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I am afraid your analogy will not hold any water.

When you hear a piece of music, what you hear is the realization of an
idea, analogous to watching the output of a program.

To transcribe the output back into written form you use some kind of
notation.

If writing the output back into musical notation rends a result
identical to the original (maybe differing in key or rythm), the output
is deemed to be a plagiat in the music world (I am not saying this is
the method, I am only running an analogy backwards. In the music world
a work is considered a plagiat if there are sixteen or more concecutive
identical notes).

In music, the IDEA is the copyrighted thing. It has to be, since you can
copyright a piece of music without putting it into notational form.

This is where your analogy breaks down. I leave the rest as an exercise
to the reader...

-- tore
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Tore Haraldsen, Statens Datasentral A/S - SDS, Norway
email: toreh@bootes.sds.no