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Received: by minnie.vk1xwt.ampr.org with NNTP id AA7447 ; Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:45:00 EST Xref: sserve comp.org.eff.talk:11829 comp.unix.bsd:10266 comp.unix.wizards:28303 comp.org.usenix:3166 Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.wizards,comp.org.usenix Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!uunet!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!csn!boulder!ucsu!rintintin.Colorado.EDU!galbrait From: galbrait@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (GALBRAITH JOHN) Subject: Re: ENOUGH! Re: BSDI/USL Lawsuit -- More Bad News for Human Beings... Message-ID: <1993Jan21.091045.21850@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder References: <1ja6bgINNh23@chnews.intel.com> <BZS.93Jan16205935@world.std.com> <1993Jan20.230616.25164@igor.tamri.com> Distribution: inet Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:10:45 GMT Lines: 47 In article <1993Jan20.230616.25164@igor.tamri.com> jbass@igor.tamri.com (John Bass) writes: >From my view what UCB, Joltz, BSDI and others have done has neither >advanced the art nor been in the UNIX industries best interest. With >forethought and malace they incrementally attempted to place the UNIX >operating system product into the public domain by re-writting it >line by line while leaving the framework and the fabric of the system >unchanged ... same global design, major algorithms, data structures, >internal interfaces, etc ... to what end? Only to attempt to destroy >AT&T/USL UNIX as a commercial product. At best the debate has >cost more than a million wasted man-hours that could have been more >productively used to advance the art with a new design. Their actions >have been WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! > >They should have followed the example of other university research >teams and done some REAL research to give us a guiding example of >what OS's should look like in the next century instead of perpetuating >the mistakes and frail framework of UNIX's 1960/70's design. > > >John Bass >Consultant >DMS Design This is ridiculous. What has been completely overlooked is that OS development is but a tiny portion of the overall research spectrum. I am using 386bsd not to explore OS design, but to study neural networks! How much time would I waste learning some new OS (even a better one!) before I even got to study my personal projects? What 386bsd has done is to provide me (a student, a home user) the oportunity to use the operating system that I like for free. It has opened so many people, such as myself, to the chance to contribute to the technical community, which is entirely good and beneficial to everybody (except lawyers). If UNIX is stale technology, then you guys with the big paychecks should do the research into new operating systems. What do you want? Somebody like Jolitz to do your work for you, so you can rewrite it and make a profit on it yourself? I completely disagree the entire tone of your post. You have painted Jolitz and other (I would consider "generous") people as conniving, evil people. I think that what they have done is to help people who are interested in advancing technology get past the lawyer crap and do new research for the benefeit of us all. john galbraith galbrait@rintintin.colorado.edu